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Social Security’s Finances Erode Further and Could Spell Benefit Cuts

The President can't "touch" SS.

That would required Congress to act to change the law.

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Yes, and Congress hasn't done a thing. One contributor to that problem is because president after president, from both parties, runs on a campaign of promising not to touch SS.
 
I don’t expect to ever collect a penny of Social Security 🤷‍♀️

Never have and have spent my entire working life anticipating that I won’t.

If I do manage to see it, it will be happy icing on the cake 🤷‍♀️

I’m still more than 20 years away from retirement - and still building my retirement portfolio with the anticipation that I’m on my own. Same with my husband - and we are both Gen X and have NEVER anticipated that we’d ever get a penny from SS.

I don’t even open the mail I get from SS to see what my “anticipated” benefits would be, because I don’t count on ever seeing it.
In 20 years when you retire you'll receive SS benefits that boomers contributed to.

You'll accept the benefit while calling for the boomers who contributed to it be cut off.
 
Get everyone off who shouldn't be on. Raise the SSI tax 1 or 2 %, increase the age by another year. You can't do nothing. Chicken shit Congress has to act of we all are going to regret the inaction of politicians with no guts.

They could start by increasing taxes on the 1%.
 
OK, but the new number is twice as much as (double, or 100% more than) the old number. Of course, you could use ‘liberal math’ and say it was only a 1% tax rate increase. ;)


Math is math it is not liberal or conservative

Going from 11% to 12% is an increase of 1%, in absolute numbers, or an increase of around 9% from a relative standpoint.


Two values 2 and 3.

3 is 50% larger than 2

2 is 33.3% smaller than 3

3 is only 1 number higher than 2.

All descriptions are true all can be used to push specific goals to influence people
 
I don’t expect to ever collect a penny of Social Security 🤷‍♀️

Never have and have spent my entire working life anticipating that I won’t.
You should expect to collect Social Security.

I’ve also worked my entire life and fully anticipate that I will.
 
People without children already pay a FIT penalty.

Obviously not enough incentive for most to elect to have at least 2 children. Using that ‘logic’, those without enough itemized deductions to exceed their ‘standard’ deduction (which is the majority) pay a FIT penalty.
 
Why, exactly, should (some?) SS beneficiaries get less than they were ‘promised’?
Because we have a big shortfall problem and it requires fixing. Sometimes, supposed promises, including financial promises, can't be (fully) kept when situations change.

Small changes can be made from various directions - but the longer it's argued about and delayed, the greater the pain will be. All the potential changes will result in some type of "hit" to either workers, retirees, or both - but changes ARE required to save the program. Heel planting stubbornness will get retirees, workers, and Congress - nowhere.

A president needs to run on intentions to fix it and needs to be very encouraging to Congress to get it done. Then Congress needs to compromise and do it. Meanwhile, the public needs to quit opposing fixing the glaring issue.
 
Math is math it is not liberal or conservative

Going from 11% to 12% is an increase of 1%, in absolute numbers, or an increase of around 9% from a relative standpoint.


Two values 2 and 3.

3 is 50% larger than 2

2 is 33.3% smaller than 3

3 is only 1 number higher than 2.

All descriptions are true all can be used to push specific goals to influence people

Yep, yet you (like myself and most people) decided to use 9% (based on 11%) instead of 8% (based on 12%) as the amount of increase in that (bolded above) example.
 
OK, but the new number is twice as much as (double, or 100% more than) the old number. Of course, you could use ‘liberal math’ and say it was only a 1% tax rate increase.
:rolleyes:

Why do you keep repeating this canard every time SS's finances come up?

The simple fact is that in a few years, payroll taxes will not generate enough revenue to pay for SS. One of the few options is to increase taxes. That's not "librul math."

By the way, that's what Reagan did in the 1980s. He increased payroll taxes, required self-employed individuals to pay both the individual and employer's share, and cut benefits by taxing SS income. I guess he was another Lying Librul, yeah?
 
This generation is smaller than was planed for as Covid killed off millions.
In the U.S. 1.1 million. That's sad but it's not earth shattering for the SSI program. Mismanagement, borrowng from he fund, reinvesting that money to use elsewhere isn't proving to be able to keep SSI afloat. The money invested and the interest earned should have to go into the SSI fund and not be spent elsewhere. Instead of making the system pay for itself they essentially spend money that ought to be invested back into the trust fund. Now we are short funds to keep it going without some changes. What politicians are going to have the balls to vote in increase the SSI tax on income, to eliminate the cap on the amount taxed, and to raise the age for claiming benefits? Cowards.
 
Raise the cap should be the first thing.
Yes, that is the liberal Rx for everything--tax the rich. Benefits are also capped so SS is not in trouble because the rich arent paying enough. Its in trouble because no one is paying enough
I don’t like extending the age because it is forcing younger generations to pay more for less.
I was never given an option or an alternative. I was forced into the system as it is. If taxes have to be raised so that the system survives, then the young will have to pay more into it.
 
Yep, that’s how ‘pay as you go’ systems work.
Unfortunately, no one in congress has the guts to increase taxes on anyone but the rich. So if SS is set to collapse in 8 years, we can expect congress to come up with a fix in 7 years, 11 months and 29 days.
 
Quit voting for republicans and the democrats will fix social security.

Republicans take the Grover Norquest pledge to never raise taxes! They have always hated Social Security. They want it bankrupt.
 
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