So When Will Trump Finally Implode?

[calamity]

If this was anyone else, he already would have been the 2016 version of Howard Dean or Ross Perot. But, for one reason or another, the Donald survives and even thrives where others would crawl away and hide.

And yesterday's three strikes in one swoop day was one of those moments that should have driven a stake through the heart of even the most resilient of candidates. But...it doesn't look like it hurt Trump one bit.

If The Media Treated Trump Like Other Candidates, Yesterday Would Have Ended His Campaign

It started with a press conference in which Trump made misleading statements, attacked reporters for applying relatively routine levels of journalistic scrutiny, and questioned the impartiality of a federal judge presiding over a lawsuit against Trump University.

The day ended with newly unsealed documents from that same lawsuit that revealed credible, if contested, allegations of shady business practices at the for-profit adult education program. The trove included a Trump University “playbook” that taught salespeople how to coax registration fees, which could run into the tens of thousands of dollars, from those desperate to get rich. One sales manager called the enterprise “a fraudulent scheme” that “preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”

...Tuesday, Trump finally provided a list of the organizations that had received donations, collectively worth $5.6 million. Trump also assured the assembled journalists that “most of the money went out quite a while ago.” The donations were real, but according to the Associated Press, about half the organizations reached by reporters had received their checks within the last 10 days. In other words, they got the money on or about the date that the Post story appeared. That included the $1 million check from Trump, which he’d dated May 24 — three days after the initial Post story.

So, What gives?

 

[azgreg]

This is clearly the weirdest election cycle I've seen.

 

[OrphanSlug]

So, What gives?

Trump is a more experienced bully, egomaniac, and lunatic. He can handle the press accordingly.

 

[legalimmigrant]

Trump is a more experienced bully, egomaniac, and lunatic. He can handle the press accordingly.

And that's a bad thing as opposed to Carter?

 

[Exquisitor]

This is clearly the weirdest election cycle I've seen.

It's also the most coveted, illustrious election of all time, the last before the Great Tribulation (2020.)

Its no surprise that we're all going crazy.

 

[legalimmigrant]

Trump will implode when this one learns how to speak without a teleprompter:

 

[azgreg]

It's also the most coveted, illustrious election of all time, the last before the Great Tribulation (2020.)

Its no surprise that we're all going crazy.

It will be yuuge.

 

[Linc]

Teflon Don ?

 

[TurtleDude]

Yale Professor of Law and Political Science, Akhil Reed Amar says this election is going to be extremely significant since all four branches of the government are in play this year

Judiciary
House
Senate
White House.

He also notes-correctly IMHO-that the GOP best lose the social fascism or it won't win many more national elections. The anti abortion-anti gay rights angle is a complete loser. But Trump could very well win this election

 

[Linc]

Yale Professor of Law and Political Science, Akhil Reed Amar says this election is going to be extremely significant since all four branches of the government are in play this year

Judiciary
House
Senate
White House.

He also notes-correctly IMHO-that the GOP best lose the social fascism or it won't win many more national elections. The anti abortion-anti gay rights angle is a complete loser. But Trump could very well win this election

Not nearly as significant, IMHO, as the 2020 election when legislative remaps will be up for grabs. This is the storm that GOPs will be trying to weather.

Btw, what do you think of the Libertarians Johnson and especially Weld going after trump? Their socially liberal and fiscally conservative views would seem to fit your belief system more .

 

[TurtleDude]

Not nearly as significant, IMHO, as the 2020 election when legislative remaps will be up for grabs. This is the storm that GOPs will be trying to weather.

Btw, what do you think of the Libertarians Johnson and especially Weld going after trump? Their socially liberal and fiscally conservative views would seem to fit your belief system more .

yeah and they have as much chance of winning as the Turtle/NIMBY ticket

 

[Linc]

yeah and they have as much chance of winning as the Turtle/NIMBY ticket

I see you're not feeling the Johnson yet. They're beginning to get some of that trump free press, as trump goes Agnew on the press. The LPs have a good shot at 15% in polling, which doesn't necessarily mean voting. 12% in MI out today. Think trump would debate Johnson and Clinton, or just cowardly back out as he did with Sanders ?

 

[TurtleDude]

I see you're not feeling the Johnson yet. They're beginning to get some of that trump free press, as trump goes Agnew on the press. The LPs have a good shot at 15% in polling, which doesn't necessarily mean voting. 12% in MI out today. Think trump would debate Johnson and Clinton, or just cowardly back out as he did with Sanders ?

I think Johnson draws more from Trump than the LB and Trump would be stupid to give GJ any credibility

 

[Gladiator]

If this was anyone else, he already would have been the 2016 version of Howard Dean or Ross Perot. But, for one reason or another, the Donald survives and even thrives where others would crawl away and hide.

And yesterday's three strikes in one swoop day was one of those moments that should have driven a stake through the heart of even the most resilient of candidates. But...it doesn't look like it hurt Trump one bit.

If The Media Treated Trump Like Other Candidates, Yesterday Would Have Ended His Campaign



So, What gives?

Perhaps an indicator of the degree of decline in Trump's popularity/electability would be the polling numbers for the Libertarian candidate. Johnson is up to 10%, up from 1% in 2012.


"The Morning Consult survey puts Clinton at 38 percent, Trump at 35 percent, and Johnson, the two-term former New Mexico governor who also ran for president in 2012, trailing with 10 percent."

"Johnson surely knows he cannot be too confident even if he wins the nomination, and even if he did give the party a record showing in 2012, winning 1 percent of the general-election vote. As with any poll, these three have a margin of error of several percentage points."




Recent National Polls Have Included Libertarian Gary Johnson - The Atlantic

"Libertarians are also hopeful the discontent over Trump means they could get some cash from some longtime Republican donors. And that’s where Weld’s presence in the ticket is seen as key because he has lots of experience fundraising and helped raise cash for Mitt Romney’s candidacy in 2012."

Gary Johnson wins Libertarian presidential nomination at contested convention.





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[Linc]

I think Johnson draws more from Trump than the LB and Trump would be stupid to give GJ any credibility

trump can't help himself--he's already calling GJ a "fringe" candidate and telling him to drop out--while the trump smear machine is already going after Weld's drinking--

You must not be reading all the Bernie supporters like Risky saying they'll vote for GJ--it's cutting both ways--

If he makes the debates--if Romney goes with them--if a Huntsman Sr. bankrolls them--they could easily pull some EVs out West--

Just wondering if Ryan would support this GOP governor over a trump in the House--while a new Senate would be limited to the top two EV

 

[Linc]

Perhaps an indicator of the degree of decline in Trump's popularity/electability would be the polling numbers for the Libertarian candidate. Johnson is up to 10%, up from 1% in 2012.


"The Morning Consult survey puts Clinton at 38 percent, Trump at 35 percent, and Johnson, the two-term former New Mexico governor who also ran for president in 2012, trailing with 10 percent."

"Johnson surely knows he cannot be too confident even if he wins the nomination, and even if he did give the party a record showing in 2012, winning 1 percent of the general-election vote. As with any poll, these three have a margin of error of several percentage points."




Recent National Polls Have Included Libertarian Gary Johnson - The Atlantic

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RCP had two new polls today, one for the general and the other in GA, with Johnson and Stein.

And one in MI with just Johnson--

In MI, 37 Clinton, 33 trump, 12 Johnson

 

[calamity]

Perhaps an indicator of the degree of decline in Trump's popularity/electability would be the polling numbers for the Libertarian candidate. Johnson is up to 10%, up from 1% in 2012.


"The Morning Consult survey puts Clinton at 38 percent, Trump at 35 percent, and Johnson, the two-term former New Mexico governor who also ran for president in 2012, trailing with 10 percent."

"Johnson surely knows he cannot be too confident even if he wins the nomination, and even if he did give the party a record showing in 2012, winning 1 percent of the general-election vote. As with any poll, these three have a margin of error of several percentage points."




Recent National Polls Have Included Libertarian Gary Johnson - The Atlantic

"Libertarians are also hopeful the discontent over Trump means they could get some cash from some longtime Republican donors. And that’s where Weld’s presence in the ticket is seen as key because he has lots of experience fundraising and helped raise cash for Mitt Romney’s candidacy in 2012."

Gary Johnson wins Libertarian presidential nomination at contested convention.





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I like Gary Johnson myself. He may get my vote too in the end.

 

[Moderate Right]

I think the answer is simple. People are sick and tired of the same old politically correct bought and paid for stuffed shirts who don't do what they said they were going to do. You vote for the perfect candidate and you get screwed so now you want to vote for the guy with the pimples who's not afraid to say what he wants instead of the guy who says only what you want to hear and then you find out later that you didn't get what you paid for. Abraham Lincoln was a nobody who the Republicans settled on rather than wanted, and an ugly one at that. We all know how that turned out.

 

[Mr Person]

Trump simply adopted the tactics of the Dingbat Queen (Palin): whenever the media criticizes you, tell your followers that that is just the "lamestream media" victimizing you because it is "afraid". These followers are already fully sold on the theme sounded by the GOP for a good decade or so. Namely, that conservatives are victimized by everything and everyone even though the country is roughly 50/50 as far as political belief demography goes.

So when the media publishes a bunch of articles showing that Trump is a slimeball, Trump's followers close their eyes and tell themselves that it is evidence that Trump is awesome and that people are "afraid" of him.



I've got to hand it to the GOP. It really was clever how they got their minions to interpret every bit of bad news about a conservative as evidence of that person's awesomeness.

 

[Mr Person]

I think the answer is simple. People are sick and tired of the same old politically correct bought and paid for stuffed shirts who don't do what they said they were going to do.

Then these "people" must either be really stupid or have been tragically deprived of all sense organs. Trump is already flip-flopping on positions from earlier in the campaign.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Then these "people" must either be really stupid or have been tragically deprived of all sense organs. Trump is already flip-flopping on positions from earlier in the campaign.

Enjoy the show, it is a thing of beauty.

 

[calamity]

Then these "people" must either be really stupid or have been tragically deprived of all sense organs. Trump is already flip-flopping on positions from earlier in the campaign.

Trump is the classic "say whatever you need to say at the moment" kind of guy. I am not surprised that the Obama haters fell for it though.

 

[jimbo]

If this was anyone else, he already would have been the 2016 version of Howard Dean or Ross Perot. But, for one reason or another, the Donald survives and even thrives where others would crawl away and hide.

And yesterday's three strikes in one swoop day was one of those moments that should have driven a stake through the heart of even the most resilient of candidates. But...it doesn't look like it hurt Trump one bit.

If The Media Treated Trump Like Other Candidates, Yesterday Would Have Ended His Campaign



So, What gives?

Huffpo is looking for a story where no story exists is what gives.

Predictions of Trump imploding and news of his demise have been around since this time last June. He won't implode.

 

[calamity]

Huffpo is looking for a story where no story exists is what gives.

Predictions of Trump imploding and news of his demise have been around since this time last June. He won't implode.

He probably won't win either.

 

[Hawkeye10]

He probably won't win either.

We were told by many that he would be out by the first of Dec.

He is still here, and is still doing it his way.

And still winning.