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So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

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So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Does anyone have any solid info on what that thing is, or is it something for the conspiracy theory forum like I've heard it described?

Or is it "Crowdstrike"?
 
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Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Does anyone have any solid info on what that thing is, or is it something for the conspiracy theory forum like I've heard it described?

Yes, I know exactly what CrowdStike is. I have already posted this information in another thread and I'll look for it and return with the information.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Does anyone have any solid info on what that thing is, or is it something for the conspiracy theory forum like I've heard it described?

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Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Here's my post under the Thread: [W:163]Trump whistleblower is CIA agent who worked at White House: report

How Trump managed to remember the name "CrowdStrike," which is mentioned only four times in the Mueller report, each in footnotes, is anyone's guess. And honestly, who knows what the **** Trump is actually trying to say here. It’s unclear why he believes Ukraine has “the server,” and what server he is even talking about. Presumably, Trump is referring to the DNC server that’s at the center of a conspiracy theory completely made up by Trump’s imagination, though perhaps he's thinking of Hillary Clinton's private email server.

Last year Trump tweeted: “Where is the DNC server, and why didn’t the FBI take possession of it? Deep State?” According to this conspiracy, the FBI and CrowdStrike failed to seize a DNC server that supposedly holds important information related to the hack. In reality, there’s no missing server, and both CrowdStrike and the US government concluded that Russian government hackers broke into the DNC. In a 2017 interview with the Associated Press, Trump said CrowdStrike is “Ukraine-based” (fact check: it’s based in Sunnyvale, California, and has a big office in Arlington, Virginia).

So, to recap, it seems that Trump is saying that CrowdStrike, an American company, is actually Ukrainian. That’s why he’s asking the new President of Ukraine, a former comedian by the way, to help him find a missing server that actually does not exist. And, for the record, CrowdStrike is a cybersecurity company that makes an antivirus-like product called Falcon. This is a cloud-based software that monitors computers and protects them from malware. The company also investigates data breaches when customers hire its researchers to respond to an incident.
 
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Here's my post under the Thread: [W:163]Trump whistleblower is CIA agent who worked at White House: report

Can you imagine the Ukranian president after hanging up asking, "What is this CrowdStrike?" "I don't understand....DNC server?" "we need the aid so we have to deal with this lunatic. I thought we had corruption problems."
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Can you imagine the Ukranian president after hanging up asking, "What is this CrowdStrike?" "I don't understand....DNC server?" "we need the aid so we have to deal with this lunatic. I thought we had corruption problems."

And...."we better figure that out fast, before the Russian's murder more of us". Trump must have trusted that the Ukrainians were desperate enough to take the blame for the DNC hacking in return for the financial aid for missiles.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Maybe it was related to a long ago debunked right wing conspiracy.

The conspiracy theory meant to help Trump: The DNC hack that resulted in the DNC email being stolen that later helped turn the 2016 election
- Was not actually a hack, it was an inside job!

The genesis could have been anything...crazies, try-hards, pro-Trump strategists, who knows. but they jumped on the idea that the DNC did NOT hand over their entire physical server and all its private contents related to the Democratic party, to the FBI.
Crowdstrike, who was hired by DNC to lock it all down and find out what happened, gave the FBI (and lots of other independent organizations), cloned data to verify the forensics themselves. It's a long investigation/story, but everyone knew Russia was doing this, it was going on around the world, at other U.S. sites, and the DNC was just one of many hit...but it got through with malware.

The catalyst for this CT is from VIPS, whose claims were published by The Nation.
The Nation later had to publish a correction (because it was nonsense) But once that fire starts, the stupids don't listen.

But keep in mind, this was also before the Mueller indictments of the Russians for the hack.
Now we have the U.S. government detailing the forensic chain of events and traffic for what servers, ISP, etc., were used to conduct the hack and extract the emails. It's detailed in the indictment of the Russians for hacking.
With this level of detail, it's fully known what occurred, and the idea that it was an "inside job" goes absurd, to no one in their right mind would have listen...sort of absurd. Remember, the theory was that it was an inside job AND the server details had to be faked to the FBI and the many other (7?) independent expert groups that verified the forensics.

The kicker of the CT theory was that since the FBI was not handed the physical server (because it had DNC emails and no political group gives up their servers..see Hillary's emails), but the FBI agreed it was acceptable...that this means it was a COVERUP!
Now that the full forensic chain of events and ISPs, etc., is known, the idea that the server itself was how it was stolen, is absurd, since they know how it was accessed externally, what servers the Russians used to access it remotely, which ISP they traveled over, etc. Remember, this is national security of the highest levels in a Republican administration, the idea that they are all 100% wrong is like moon-landing-faked crazy.

You can view the Russian Hacking indictment that includes much of the high level forensic chain here:
https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

You can view the nations correction of their misinformation, here:
A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack | The Nation
They of course try to CYA the whole thing, it takes a while to pick out where they admit they erred.
As part of the editing process, however, we should have made certain that several of the article’s conclusions were presented as possibilities, not as certainties. And given the technical complexity of the material, we would have benefited from bringing on an independent expert to conduct a rigorous review of the VIPS technical claims.

Oops.

But the faithful still believe!!! Russia didn't do it!!!
 
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Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Does anyone have any solid info on what that thing is, or is it something for the conspiracy theory forum like I've heard it described?

Or is it "Crowdstrike"?

This from Wiki:

In December 2016, CrowdStrike released a report stating that Russian government-affiliated group Fancy Bear had hacked a Ukrainian artillery app.[41] They concluded that Russia had used the hack to cause large losses to Ukrainian artillery units. The app (called ArtOS) is installed on tablet PCs and used for fire-control.[42] The earliest version of the app (supported until 2015) was called POPR-D30 and installed on Android phones and tablets. CrowdStrike found a hacked variation of POPR-D30 being distributed on Ukrainian military forums that utilized an X-Agent implant.[43]

The International Institute for Strategic Studies rejected CrowdStrike's assessment of hacking causing losses to Ukrainian artillery units, saying that their data on Ukrainian D30 howitzer losses was misused by CrowdStrike in their report. The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense also rejected the CrowdStrike report, stating that actual artillery losses were much smaller than what was reported by [CrowdStrike] and were not associated with [Russian hacking].[44]

Cybersecurity firm SecureWorks discovered a list of email addresses targeted by Fancy Bear in phishing attacks.[45] The list included the email address of Yaroslav Sherstyuk, the developer of ArtOS.[46] Additional Associated Press research supports CrowdStrike's conclusions about Fancy Bear.[47] Radio Free Europe notes that the AP report "lends some credence to the original CrowdStrike report, showing that the app had, in fact, been targeted."[48]
CrowdStrike - Wikipedia

That was the Ukrainian connection.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Does anyone have any solid info on what that thing is, or is it something for the conspiracy theory forum like I've heard it described?

Or is it "Crowdstrike"?

I found this article posted at Real Clear Politics today

‘Ukraine-Gate’ Is About the Russian Hack That Wasn’t – American Greatness

The association the company has with Democrats is pretty interesting.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

This from Wiki:
hat was the Ukrainian connection.

Why was President Trump asking Ukraine's leader personally about Crowrdstirke, if it was just about internal Ukrainian artillery issues?
What about the "server"?
Why would this be a favor for POTUS?
I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole si�uation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess
you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has.it� There- are a lot. of things that went on, the·:whole situation ..

No, this could be the DNC server, or Hillary's email server (less likely), I doubt there is any evidence this is about Ukranian artillery.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Looks like we still have people pushing the conspiracy theory. Sad.

Notice my sources.
The United States Government
The publisher of the original VIPS claim, and their correction.

Now look at the CT sources.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Does anyone have any solid info on what that thing is, or is it something for the conspiracy theory forum like I've heard it described?

Or is it "Crowdstrike"?

I think it is Crowdstrike, the IT firm hired to find and stop the leaks that were coming from inside the DNC which had alerted Sanders of the DNC's crooked fix in the democrat primary for Hillary. John Podesta vowed to find the insider who was leaking the emails and the DNC then hired Crowdstrike to secure their computers from hacking or leakage days after Crowdstrike claimed they had secured the computers, a massive theft of emails occurred from inside the DNC and those emails were sent to Wikileaks and the rest is history.

Crowdstrike blamed Russians and the DNC refused to allow government investigators to verify that claim by examining the computers themselves.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Why was President Trump asking Ukraine's leader personally about Crowrdstirke, if it was just about internal Ukrainian artillery issues?
What about the "server"?
Why would this be a favor for POTUS?


No, this could be the DNC server, or Hillary's email server (less likely), I doubt there is any evidence this is about Ukranian artillery.

Well I guess it's all about perspective.

As I see it, per the Wiki reference, there was an issue with Russian hacking of Ukraine artillery technology, alleging that the numbers of destroyed artillery sites were linked to this hacking. The Ukraine and another cyber investigation company indicated this was false or misleading. Other sources per the Wiki article assert there is some support for the Crowdstrike report.

Option A: Trump is responding to a request for additional military aid and tech, and it would be reasonable to voice concerns over the security of said tech in the face of the Crowdstrike allegations. That would be the view of someone looking at the conversation up to this point...dispassionately.

Option B: Of course, if one is seeking some connection to "elections," despite this being years ago and nothing to do with Ukraine...one could try to take the Crowdstrike reference in THAT direction. Although what the Ukraine could "investigate" in that regard is beyond me. :unsure13:

Using deductive reasoning, I pick Option A.

Using emotional confirmation bias? Well, you get the point. :coffeepap:
 
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Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

This from Wiki:

CrowdStrike - Wikipedia

That was the Ukrainian connection.
Reading more bits around that section on the wiki page I find myself wondering if some are conflating CrowdStrike aiding the DNC hack investigation with their work/claims about Russia hacking Ukrainian artillery software.

Also that bit at the end:

CrowdStrike - Wikipedia
In the Trump–Ukraine controversy, a transcript of a conversation between Donald Trump, the president of the United States, and Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, Trump asked Zelensky to look into CrowdStrike's activities in Ukraine.[50]

It links to Trump& - Wikipedia
Which describes it as follows, and this is the version of what Trump was referring to that I've seen most:

Crowdstrike
During the July 25, 2019, phone call between President Trump and President Zelensky, Mr. Trump recounted a far-right conspiracy theory, pushed by internet trolls and right-wing blogs and news websites.[122][123] The overarching theme of this conspiracy theory is that the "Democratic National Committee fabricat[ed] all the evidence in Russia's [2015–2016] breach of [their] network."[124] Crowdstrike was the security firm that first investigated and determined that Russian military intelligence (GRU) was behind infiltrating the network. Trump has falsely asserted, and appeared to suggest during his call with Zelensky, that Crowdstrike is owned by a wealthy Ukrainian.[71]

Crowdstrike's co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch is a naturalized American citizen born in the Soviet Union.[125][126] According to the hoax, Alperovitch is a Ukrainian who was ordered by the DNC to discredit Russia for the election interference and he was personally motivated to get even with Vladimir Putin. According to the theory, Crowdstrike is owned by a rich Ukrainian and the actual server involved in the hack is in Ukraine. The theory additionally says FBI agents were not allowed to examine the server because such action would expose the DNC plot, although the Mueller Report stated images and traffic logs of the DNC servers were provided to the FBI. This conspiracy theory originated from a "GRU persona, 'Guccifer 2.0,' created to cast doubt on Russia's culpability in the DNC [intrusion]."[124][127][128]
 
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Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Reading more bits around that section on the wiki page I find myself wondering if some are conflating CrowdStrike aiding the DNC hack investigation with their work/claims about Russia hacking Ukrainian artillery software.

Also that bit at the end:

CrowdStrike - Wikipedia


It links to Trump& - Wikipedia
Which describes it as follows, and this is the version of what Trump was referring to that I've seen most:

Well, I think some people might be going with that.

I prefer my reasoning, since it goes hand in hand with the discussion of military aid up to that point, as opposed to assuming it had something to do with the election.

But to give the devil his due, that might be what Trump was aiming for in his response.

I choose to assume innocence until guilt is proven though. Seems to have worked so far in all prior allegations of Trump wrongdoing. :shrug:
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Someone explain the physical characteristics of a "server" as used in a place like the DNC.
What IS the "server"...is it a single piece of equipment, a single computer?

Hint: Nope it's not! :mrgreen:

I'd like to see someone walk into a hosting company OR the DNC (if it is colocated in the building) and figure out which piece of gear to steal if they want "the server".
For several years, while I was recovering from losing my business in the 1994 Northridge Quake, I fell back on an IT career and I installed servers at places similar to the DNC. In fact, not only did I do lone corporate installs, I also did something like 150 server installs at the Dallas InfoMart.

Mission critical enterprise level servers don't consist of a single PC in an ordinary computer case.
Show me where an individual server that you're "looking to steal" would be located in this room.

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Trump is an Id10t and whoever is coaching him on his theories is also an Id10t*.

An Id 10 t is geek shorthand for IDIOT, just in case you're not a l33t ha><or. :lamo
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Can you imagine the Ukranian president after hanging up asking, "What is this CrowdStrike?" "I don't understand....DNC server?" "we need the aid so we have to deal with this lunatic. I thought we had corruption problems."

Something like that.

And I’ll bet they recorded every conversation with any American they talked to outside official channels.

Trump’s bag men reached out to the Ukrainians less than three weeks after the inauguration.

This was after Trump snubbed the Ukrainians by not sending Pence to the inauguration, a pointed signal to both Kiev and Moscow.

Vlad the Invader is doubtless delighted.

And the Ukraine knows it all too well.

And they see clearly that they are stuck with an American President who is basically a dangerous, fool, in the tank for Moscow, and Moscow, itself.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

We now have T-publicans spreading and peddling the Putin Gospel. This CT nonsense, as well as that before it, started the night of Obama’s first election.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Does anyone have any solid info on what that thing is, or is it something for the conspiracy theory forum like I've heard it described?

Or is it "Crowdstrike"?

Here is everything that is known about Cloudstrike at this time...complete with supporting links.

It’s Not About Biden – Deep State Response to Ukraine Call Now Makes Sense – Trump Questioned Crowdstrike… | The Last Refuge
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Well I guess it's all about perspective. Using emotional confirmation bias? Well, you get the point. :coffeepap:

Why would Trump be asking Ukraine anything about their Artillery and some details about hacking? At the POTUS level? Your argument is absurd. You also didn't explain what he meant by the server there...how is a server related to the Ukraine artillery strikes? No, Trump is just an idiot.

- Trump has raised the conspiracy theory already and made it a central theme on the stage in Helsinki, denying U.S. intelligence was correct, siding with Putin.

- Trump chased this conspiracy theory early on, asking Pompeo to hear what they had to say (we never heard from Pompeo because it was bogus)

- the server, is the key issue in the DNC_inside job conspiracy theory, it's "why didn't the FBI get the physical server!?!".

- The idea that Rump knows crowd-strike ins involved with some obscure Ukrainian artillery issue, and would personally discuss that with him in this way, is absurd
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

Here is everything that is known about Cloudstrike at this time...complete with supporting links

HAHAHA. The conservative tree house. The last refuge of Trump nutters. You really should watch more Fox news, its better than that propaganda.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

HAHAHA. The conservative tree house. The last refuge of Trump nutters. You really should watch more Fox news, its better than that propaganda.

good news is all this will come out in impeachment inquiry ....lets match up facts with truths

just like Roger Stone's case forced the FBI to admit not seeing the original Crowdstrike report...kinda sloppy or corrupt

Durham and Barr still have open investigation going on RussiaGate and Crowdstrike...Trump asking Ukraine for more info and cooperation is SOP..actually its the law Bill Clinton signed
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

good news is all this will come out in impeachment inquiry ....lets match up facts with truths
just like Roger Stone's case forced the FBI to admit not seeing the original Crowdstrike report...kinda sloppy or corrupt
Durham and Barr still have open investigation going on RussiaGate and Crowdstrike...Trump asking Ukraine for more info and cooperation is SOP..actually its the law Bill Clinton signed

The House runs the impeachment inquiry, I doubt they will chase conspiracy theory nonsense.
 
Re: So what is this "Cloudstrike" thing Trump spoke of in the Ukraine call "transcript"?

The House runs the impeachment inquiry, I doubt they will chase conspiracy theory nonsense.

ANTIFA DEMOCRATS say..... no questions ....sit down ....shut up ....we say what truth is:lol:
 
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