So now We See the Problems with Mass-Mail Voting.

[Captain Adverse]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Cultist going full Cult at the behest of the Cult Leader.

There is no problem.

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

All points are well spoken. This election was rigged with the democrats taking advantage of pandemic fears. It's also the real reason they were so angry that Amy Coney Barret's confirmation was pushed through. They knew this election would end up in the courts and likely go all the way to the SCOTUS and wanted a deadlocked court.

 

[Helix]

i voted by mail. my vote wasn't fake. it was against the precious, though.

 

[lwf]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

Where is this evidence that mass mail voting has resulted in more incidents of fraudulent voting, buying votes, and invalid votes being counted?

Restricting and discouraging votes is anti-American.

 

[BlueTex]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

Which states were "stolen" via "mass-mail ballots" in this election?

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

i voted by mail. my vote wasn't fake. it was against the precious, though.

Nobody questions your vote or any other legitimate vote. The point is that mass mail out voting without a custody chain on the ballots is ripe for cheating. And you did not state whether you voted by absentee ballotin or whether you were sent an unsolicited ballot. At least with absentee balloting, there is a custody chain, signature verification, etc.

 

[BlueTex]

Nobody questions your vote or any other legitimate vote. The point is that mass mail out voting without a custody chain on the ballots is ripe for cheating. And you did not state whether you voted by absentee ballotin or whether you were sent an unsolicited ballot. At least with absentee balloting, there is a custody chain, signature verification, etc.

How is the "chain of custody" different for absentee ballots?

 

[calamity]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

Yeah, black people vote. R's can't allow for that. Amirite?

 

[LetsGoBrandon]

Which states were "stolen" via "mass-mail ballots" in this election?

How is the "chain of custody" different for absentee ballots?

First, you have to actually request an absentee ballot. It is not just sent to you unsolicitated. Then your signature has to be witnessed so your ballot can be checked out if fraud is suspected

 

[BlueTex]

First, you have to actually request an absentee ballot. It is not just sent to you unsolicitated. Then your signature has to be witnessed so your ballot can be checked out if fraud is suspected

LMAO... But what is the "chain of custody" once I send my application into the state? Oh, now you have to have witness for an absentee ballot? Not every state requires a witness for an absentee ballot...

 

[Cardinal]

It's become clear by now that the Republican definition of "voter fraud" is Democrats voting and winning elections. There's no obligation to treat their arguments seriously.

 

[Torus34]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

Hi!

The biggest problem, and one that is not advancing the argument that American democracy is viable for export, is the false information being spread about the reliability of the system.

Regards, stay safe 'n well. Remember the big 3 anti-viral do's: masks, hand washing and physical distancing.

 

[Helix]

Nobody questions your vote or any other legitimate vote. The point is that mass mail out voting without a custody chain on the ballots is ripe for cheating. And you did not state whether you voted by absentee ballotin or whether you were sent an unsolicited ballot. At least with absentee balloting, there is a custody chain, signature verification, etc.

i don't believe that Republicans are worried about cheating. they are worried that their voter suppression strategies are not working.

 

[Deuce]

Yes, absentee ballots are a problem when they are deliberately sabotaged, great point OP.

 

[Deuce]

It's so ****ing stupid that right wingers still believe there are no voter verification steps in absentee ballots. They're just that goddamned brainwashed. No wonder they're dumb enough to demand the end of our republic by ending the counting of votes.

 

[Somerville]

Here's something to think about

Armed Agents Are Allowed in Ballot-Counting Venues, Justice Dept. Tells Prosecutors
"Former officials expressed fears that the department’s legal interpretation would allow federal investigators to intimidate vote counters or interfere with their work."

"A law prohibits the stationing of armed federal officers at polls on Election Day. But a top official told prosecutors that the department interpreted the statute to mean that they could send armed federal officers to polling stations and locations where ballots were being counted anytime after that."

"The statute “does not prevent armed federal law enforcement persons from responding to, investigate, or prevent federal crimes at closed polling places or at other locations where votes are being counted,” the official, Richard P. Donoghue, told prosecutors in an email that he sent around 1:30 a.m. on Wednesday."

"A Justice Department spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment."


I wonder what type of vetting the 'armed' federal agents will undergo before they are sent out to vote-counting locations - Republican membership?

 

[Mr Person]

I repeat,


Snags may still develop in the counting process — hundreds of thousands of votes remained uncounted in Pennsylvania on Wednesday — and, if they do, Mr. Trump will likely seize on them in a further attempt to create confusion and chaos. But his complaints have taken on an almost pathetic tone. “They are finding Biden votes all over the place — in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. So bad for our Country!,” he tweeted. Yes, that is what happens when absentee votes are counted in an election in which Mr. Trump discouraged his own supporters from mailing in ballots. That they were being “found” in those states only after Election Day is due in large part to Republican legislators who, goaded by the Trump campaign, refused to allow the early processing of millions of mail votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/surprise-the-election-is-unfolding-as-predicted/2020/11/04/2e1c53e8-1ebe-11eb-90dd-abd0f7086a91_story.html

It's profoundly dishonest to ignore the fact that Trump created all the alleged problems right out there in the open. He and his GOP minions created the situation where votes would be "found", as Trumpists so dishonestly put it, specifically so that he could complain about them being "found".





And remember: OP's creator said that videos and photos of police slashing tires was not "evidence" of police slashing tires because he wanted to defend their behavior. He has no credibility.

 

[Mr Person]

It's so ****ing stupid that right wingers still believe there are no voter verification steps in absentee ballots. They're just that goddamned brainwashed. No wonder they're dumb enough to demand the end of our republic by ending the counting of votes.

They're happy living in Fox's world of lies. Just as long as they don't stop and actually think about anything, it works for them. Well, except the ones who got themselves killed by COVID.

 

[rickc]

Mail in ballot cheating is a figment of the right wing imagination

Now trump on the other hand is truly cheating or at least trying to

 

[bongsaway]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

Waaaaaaa, the dems are voting in a way I don't like, it should be illegal. Waaaaaaaaaa

 

[Mycroft]

Orange County 2018 was a test run. The Dems have used what they learned there...along with their crooked mass mail vote efforts this year...to do what they did in Orange county on a national scale.

Watch what happens in 2022.

 

[Elmo]

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Please do post the evidence then. I won't hold my breath

 

[azgreg]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

 

[Praxas]

Note the Title: "MASS-Mail" voting, not "Absentee" voting.

The distinction: Absentee ballots are specifically requested by the particular voter. They typically require some kind of justification; i.e. overseas or otherwise out of home-State, hospitalized or otherwise less able to travel, and one or two other recognizable reasons.

Mass-mail ballots are those simply mailed out to every "eligible" voter, usually using old registration lists. There is no chain of custody, no way to trace them, and many citizens would not know if one was even mailed to them.

People argue that this it the new "fair and equitable" way to assure "every vote counts."

We are seeing now how that appears to be untrue. We have evidence of ballot harvesting, fraudulent votes, buying votes, and worst of all...invalid votes all being counted.

Historically, it is the Democrat Party that has (with few exceptions) been the Party of voter "tampering."

Recall all those old horror stories about voter suppression? This occurred mostly in the Democrat controlled South. That's where we found polls taxes, reading and writing requirements, and other voters suppression methods.

Even when the Democrats "swung" under President Johnson, it was (allegedly) to gain control of the "Black Vote."

But where have we still seen shennanigans in elections? Under Democrat jurisdictions. Most notably? Those Florida counties where in both 2000 and 2016 "lost ballots" heavily Democrat suddenly appeared to delay the final election results.

Now we have the Democrats NEW voter suppression, under the guise of "every vote counting?" Mass-mail ballots.

Using Covid-19 fears as an excuse, the Democrats have forced through mass-mail voting and now we are dealing with an election with ever worse issues than Bush v. Gore 2000.

IMO this was planned, and an expected outcome, as States Trump was crushing it in the actual in-person voting have been swung into Democrat hands via "mass-mail" voting.

IMO just more evidence of Democrat Party desires to undermine the system and perpetuate themselves as the sole Party in a single-Party controlled nation...much like was see in both the old Soviet Union, the current China, and everyone where else (Venezuela) where single Party-rule shows how tings go.

Works just fine in Colorado. The problem is the states that have laws that say counting can only START Nov. 3rd. Seems they have some amending to do.

Lastly you just have sour grapes that you will have to deal with PRESIDENT BIDEN and your precious Trump is getting FIRED.