James D Hill
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We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu [sic] the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate [sic] insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives [sic]. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
Our conservatives recognize the implications of allowing government to stick its filthy nose too far into areas where it has no business doing so.
The European systems that you cite are part of the defective, self-destructive culture which our ancestors wisely rejected, and against which they rebelled, to found this country. They were wrong more than two centuries ago, and they are just as wrong today.
Only a drug-crippled fool thinks that a successful nation should look to failures for guidance and example. If we, as a nation, wanted to be a European-style failure, we would have simply kissed George III's ass, and let him and his successors continue to rule us, as the Canadians did.
We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
The European systems that you cite are part of the defective, self-destructive culture which our ancestors wisely rejected, and against which they rebelled, to found this country. They were wrong more than two centuries ago, and they are just as wrong today.
Only a drug-crippled fool thinks that a successful nation should look to failures for guidance and example. If we, as a nation, wanted to be a European-style failure, we would have simply kissed George III's ass, and let him and his successors continue to rule us, as the Canadians did.
Even if they have it wrong, we can learn from their mistakes.
The way to learn from the mistakes of others—as well as from one's own mistakes—is not to repeat them. Surely, you've heard the cliché about insanity being defined as doing what has been done before, and expecting a different result.
Government has no business regulating healthcare?
A better option is state run healthcare reform and removing social services from the fed in the first damn place.
It IS happening...across the country. States are creating state run healthcare options, Massachusetts and others have modified their health care system. It is happening and should continue to happen. At a state level. What should NOT happen is a a collection of morons shouldnt ram through legislation they never read (too late) that will have negative impact on businesses, employment, the economy, and peoples capacity to provide for their own health care.But that isn't going to happen, so just the status quo then?
We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
"Take responsibility". Which basically means don't be poor and don't get sick.
It has no business getting involved in most things it regulates. It simply adds incompetence and politics to any situation.
Greed has corrupted our health care system.
It IS happening...across the country. States are creating state run healthcare options, Massachusetts and others have modified their health care system. It is happening and should continue to happen. At a state level. What should NOT happen is a a collection of morons shouldnt ram through legislation they never read (too late) that will have negative impact on businesses, employment, the economy, and peoples capacity to provide for their own health care.
It's not like you have to work particularly hard to not be poor and land a job with health insurance.
The guys who collect shopping carts in Home Depot parking lots receive health care.
We're not exactly talking about shooting for the stars here.
Lack of greed is the bigger issue
The problems with out of control prices is that one component of greed is not part of the system. Those of us consuming the services don’t price shop as we do in other areas of society.
The greed that makes us find a tv $100 cheaper is not pervasive in health care. When people don’t price shop, the incentive to keep costs down is lessened. So one problem is we are not greedy enough when it comes to acquiring health care services.
The other problem is more a mindset. Life can be a struggle. Life is not going to be fair. Society used to understand that. Progressives simply refuse to accept it. Some people will have better lives. Some people will be healthier. The progressive mindset of stealing from Peter to pay Paul in order to create a utopia has failed miserably. Yet rather than admit the failure, they double down. Now we don’t simply steal from the Peter, we steal from Peters unborn grandchildren.
It sounds like you just hate the government. Do you feel Capitalism will work best for everyone (or even just the majority) when it runs unrestricted?
I don't hate it. I just consider it to be incompetent and corrupt. Yes capitalism is the best economic system ever in history because it creates the most wealth for society.
most wealth doesn't necessarily mean whats best though. unrestricted capitalism inevitably leads to a financial elite who act only in their own self interest and care nothing for the well being of the common citizen beyond their usefulness, corporations stronger than the government itself, a working class that lives in financial slavery, monopolies that actually discourage competition (the bread and butter of capitalism) and raises the price of necessities and commodities while lowering quality. Unrestricted capitalism inevitably consumes itself and reverts to an aristocracy.
That was my point, don't repeat their mistakes, refine their technique into something that works even better (or just works, depending on your opinion). If you scrap every idea that doesn't work perfectly you'll miss out on many great and wonderful things. Profit driven healthcare has been refined with the wrong goals in mind for too long.
We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
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