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So if conservatives hate Obamacare so bad then what is your idea's?

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We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
 

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We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu [sic] the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate [sic] insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives [sic]. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
Our conservatives recognize the implications of allowing government to stick its filthy nose too far into areas where it has no business doing so.

The European systems that you cite are part of the defective, self-destructive culture which our ancestors wisely rejected, and against which they rebelled, to found this country. They were wrong more than two centuries ago, and they are just as wrong today.

Only a drug-crippled fool thinks that a successful nation should look to failures for guidance and example. If we, as a nation, wanted to be a European-style failure, we would have simply kissed George III's ass, and let him and his successors continue to rule us, as the Canadians did.
 
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"Take responsibility". Which basically means don't be poor and don't get sick.
 

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Our conservatives recognize the implications of allowing government to stick its filthy nose too far into areas where it has no business doing so.
Government has no business regulating healthcare? We should all be at the mercy of Big Pharm and insurance companies then? Its one thing to say the current attempt has its flaws, but your suggesting they shouldn't even try. This directly affects every single american in a very serious way. To say that we should turn our backs and let the free market do what it will with a product that everyone needs and is unwilling to go without (except the christian scientists maybe) is on par with "Let them eat cake"

The European systems that you cite are part of the defective, self-destructive culture which our ancestors wisely rejected, and against which they rebelled, to found this country. They were wrong more than two centuries ago, and they are just as wrong today.

Only a drug-crippled fool thinks that a successful nation should look to failures for guidance and example. If we, as a nation, wanted to be a European-style failure, we would have simply kissed George III's ass, and let him and his successors continue to rule us, as the Canadians did.
Even if they have it wrong, we can learn from their mistakes. You don't have to pay top dollar and learn everything the hard way if you can just pay attention and be observant. You did state it very elegantly though.
 

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We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
The healthcare system is broken do to regulations about insurance put on medical practices. That is why rates are so high, becuase of costs to doctors to keep enough insurance to cover mal-practice and other medical mishaps. That is what needs to be reformed.
 

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We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
The Affordable Care Act was originally a Republican idea until Mr. Obama was elected president. From that day forward it is the biggest evil ever. And they will continue to spread lies and perpetuate their hatred. I think they are taking another repeal Obamacare vote. That makes it 39. ACA is the law of the land. That will not change. Amen.
 

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The European systems that you cite are part of the defective, self-destructive culture which our ancestors wisely rejected, and against which they rebelled, to found this country. They were wrong more than two centuries ago, and they are just as wrong today.

Only a drug-crippled fool thinks that a successful nation should look to failures for guidance and example. If we, as a nation, wanted to be a European-style failure, we would have simply kissed George III's ass, and let him and his successors continue to rule us, as the Canadians did.
Even if they have it wrong, we can learn from their mistakes.
The way to learn from the mistakes of others—as well as from one's own mistakes—is not to repeat them. Surely, you've heard the cliché about insanity being defined as doing what has been done before, and expecting a different result.
 

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The way to learn from the mistakes of others—as well as from one's own mistakes—is not to repeat them. Surely, you've heard the cliché about insanity being defined as doing what has been done before, and expecting a different result.
That was my point, don't repeat their mistakes, refine their technique into something that works even better (or just works, depending on your opinion). If you scrap every idea that doesn't work perfectly you'll miss out on many great and wonderful things. Profit driven healthcare has been refined with the wrong goals in mind for too long.
 

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Government has no business regulating healthcare?
It has no business getting involved in most things it regulates. It simply adds incompetence and politics to any situation.
 

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You are missing the obvious. Its not just 'conservatives' that see how devastating Obamacare will be. It is liberals, traditional democrat lobbies and support groups, and...shockingly...even the white house has whoa'd up the business mandate. Why/ They know it is going to cause unemployment and slow whatever economic stability there is at the current time and are petrified that will **** over the democrats for the 2014 elections.

A better question would be why do people that still dont even know what is actually IN the legislation continue to support it?

A better option is state run healthcare reform and removing social services from the fed in the first damn place.
 

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A better option is state run healthcare reform and removing social services from the fed in the first damn place.
But that isn't going to happen, so just the status quo then?
 

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But that isn't going to happen, so just the status quo then?
It IS happening...across the country. States are creating state run healthcare options, Massachusetts and others have modified their health care system. It is happening and should continue to happen. At a state level. What should NOT happen is a a collection of morons shouldnt ram through legislation they never read (too late) that will have negative impact on businesses, employment, the economy, and peoples capacity to provide for their own health care.
 

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We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
Badly. The educational system appears to be broken as well.
 

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"Take responsibility". Which basically means don't be poor and don't get sick.
It's not like you have to work particularly hard to not be poor and land a job with health insurance.

The guys who collect shopping carts in Home Depot parking lots receive health care.

We're not exactly talking about shooting for the stars here.
 

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It has no business getting involved in most things it regulates. It simply adds incompetence and politics to any situation.
It sounds like you just hate the government. Do you feel Capitalism will work best for everyone (or even just the majority) when it runs unrestricted?
 

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Greed has corrupted our health care system.
Lack of greed is the bigger issue

The problems with out of control prices is that one component of greed is not part of the system. Those of us consuming the services don’t price shop as we do in other areas of society.

The greed that makes us find a tv $100 cheaper is not pervasive in health care. When people don’t price shop, the incentive to keep costs down is lessened. So one problem is we are not greedy enough when it comes to acquiring health care services.

The other problem is more a mindset. Life can be a struggle. Life is not going to be fair. Society used to understand that. Progressives simply refuse to accept it. Some people will have better lives. Some people will be healthier. The progressive mindset of stealing from Peter to pay Paul in order to create a utopia has failed miserably. Yet rather than admit the failure, they double down. Now we don’t simply steal from the Peter, we steal from Peters unborn grandchildren.
 

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It IS happening...across the country. States are creating state run healthcare options, Massachusetts and others have modified their health care system. It is happening and should continue to happen. At a state level. What should NOT happen is a a collection of morons shouldnt ram through legislation they never read (too late) that will have negative impact on businesses, employment, the economy, and peoples capacity to provide for their own health care.
It doesn't HAVE to be Obamacare. If states can reform their own healthcare laws and achieve a fair workable system then I'm all for it. If it is in fact happening, its because of Obamacare. Obamacare scared the **** out of anyone even remotely invested in the current healthcare system, forced everyone to take a closer look at it than they were comfortable with, and realize something is wrong. I don't care if Obamacare gets repealed or not, as long as we end up with something relatively fair and sustainable. something that doesn't involve the few who can pay their bills paying 3x what they should because 2/3 of care given ends up being written off. Try working towards an optimal result instead of blindly trying to not-lose, often times with total misrepresentation of the facts.
 

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It's not like you have to work particularly hard to not be poor and land a job with health insurance.

The guys who collect shopping carts in Home Depot parking lots receive health care.

We're not exactly talking about shooting for the stars here.
You actually believe this, don't you? Part time workers, which those cart collectors almost assuredly are, seldom receive health benefits. And even those that do receive crappy ones. Like, no dental, no eye care, barely any prescription coverage. Basically just emergency room. So they're covered for a broken arm or a cut or something like that. Many full time waged workers don't fare any better. In order to have access to the preventative care that is the big thing Americans lack, one must be working a serious salaried position. You know, the jobs that have disappeared over the last decade.
 

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Lack of greed is the bigger issue

The problems with out of control prices is that one component of greed is not part of the system. Those of us consuming the services don’t price shop as we do in other areas of society.

The greed that makes us find a tv $100 cheaper is not pervasive in health care. When people don’t price shop, the incentive to keep costs down is lessened. So one problem is we are not greedy enough when it comes to acquiring health care services.

The other problem is more a mindset. Life can be a struggle. Life is not going to be fair. Society used to understand that. Progressives simply refuse to accept it. Some people will have better lives. Some people will be healthier. The progressive mindset of stealing from Peter to pay Paul in order to create a utopia has failed miserably. Yet rather than admit the failure, they double down. Now we don’t simply steal from the Peter, we steal from Peters unborn grandchildren.
Absolutely true, for most of us the cost is completely not a factor. We have a set deductable for big stuff and set co-pay for the more routine costs and that's it. So if we see a doctor charging 500 for a visit or charing 100 for a visit, it doesn't matter to us. We still have a co-pay of fifty bucks, so why bother worrying about cost? That's the insurance company's problem, not ours. There are no market forces at work in the medical field in general - except in areas like Lazik surgery where not surprisingly, costs have come way down as providers compete against each other for consumers.
 
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ACA is their idea! Heritage Foundation, Romney ...
 

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It sounds like you just hate the government. Do you feel Capitalism will work best for everyone (or even just the majority) when it runs unrestricted?
I don't hate it. I just consider it to be incompetent and corrupt. Yes capitalism is the best economic system ever in history because it creates the most wealth for society.
 

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I don't hate it. I just consider it to be incompetent and corrupt. Yes capitalism is the best economic system ever in history because it creates the most wealth for society.
most wealth doesn't necessarily mean whats best though. unrestricted capitalism inevitably leads to a financial elite who act only in their own self interest and care nothing for the well being of the common citizen beyond their usefulness, corporations stronger than the government itself, a working class that lives in financial slavery, monopolies that actually discourage competition (the bread and butter of capitalism) and raises the price of necessities and commodities while lowering quality. Unrestricted capitalism inevitably consumes itself and reverts to an aristocracy.
 
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most wealth doesn't necessarily mean whats best though. unrestricted capitalism inevitably leads to a financial elite who act only in their own self interest and care nothing for the well being of the common citizen beyond their usefulness, corporations stronger than the government itself, a working class that lives in financial slavery, monopolies that actually discourage competition (the bread and butter of capitalism) and raises the price of necessities and commodities while lowering quality. Unrestricted capitalism inevitably consumes itself and reverts to an aristocracy.
I didn't say it was perfect. I said it was the best economic system ever in history.
 

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That was my point, don't repeat their mistakes, refine their technique into something that works even better (or just works, depending on your opinion). If you scrap every idea that doesn't work perfectly you'll miss out on many great and wonderful things. Profit driven healthcare has been refined with the wrong goals in mind for too long.
According to nancy pelosi, "we need to pass it to see what is in it."

Do you understand the problem with trying to implement a healthcare system in America now? It was treated like an emergency. Like this country was dying from an epidemic. Millions dead every 3 seconds. Then we got a busted "obamacare" bill that everyone is now looking at like...uh oops.

You want to implement a working system? Shut down the media. Closed door research on health care, and develop a secret agenda to create the system long before the information is ever released. Then figure out a way to prevent people from abusing the system. Then also figure out how to fund it. Like it or not...doctors don't work for free. Manufacture of medication and machines cost money. We barely pay nurses. It just doesn't make sense. People want "free" health care. They don't realize that health care costs money and it will cost someone.
 

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We are all in agreement. Our healthcare system is broken. 40 million Americans without health insurance and prices going trhu the roof. If not the AFA then what do you right wingers want? The status quo? That does not work. Greed has corrupted our health care system. Tort reform would be just a drop in the bucket and so would inerstate insurance. You have to do better that that my conservative friends. Why is it American conservatives are the only conservatives in the world who are against a state ran health care system? British,German and French conservatives do not seem to have a problem with it. Neither do Canadian conservitives. Are our conservatives more stupid than the rest?
I disagree with the premise outright. You make it sound like we only have two options,the Republican version of govt.controlled healthcare or the Dems.
 
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