So all you haters of 'socialism' are going to turn down CV freebies from the gov, right?

[Hypothetical]

We wasted very precious time those first few weeks trivializing, politicizing, and dismissing the problem as a "Democrat hoax". All the Fox News hosts were telling us how this thing is blown way out of proportion and it's all just a political stunt. So now here we are. Now Trump and Fox News are gaslighting us and telling us how they did not mean it was just a political stunt. Trump even has the gall now to try to tell us that he knew all along it was going to be a "pandemic". Please.

And you think this is bad? Wait until you start seeing the effects of climate change, and we start realizing all the precious time we lost calling it a "just a Chinese hoax" and undermining all attempts to seriously address it. I can't wait for all the ingenious gaslighting which will be coming from the right then.

T Carlson was absolutely not doing that. in fact he was the ONLY media outlet reporting on the virus for 2 or 3 weeks initially.

 

[ataraxia]

no problem with socialistic programs when needed as long as they don't also come with politicians who mean to destroy the constitution.

It's "no problem" when it helps you. It's "destroy the constitution" when it help someone else.

Kinda like government intervention to help with the opioid drug problem in rural America is "no problem" and something a decent, competent government should do to protect the health and welfare of its citizens. But if it tries to help with the drug problem in the inner cities, it's "destroy the constitution". Those folks just need to learn to pick themselves up by the bootstraps because it's the American thing to do, right?

Kinda like how if police crack down on inner cities, it's "no problem" and something a decent, competent government should do to protect the safety and welfare of its citizens. But if it does it on outlaw cattle ranchers in Montana, it's "destroy the constitution".

Kinda like how Medicare is "no problem" for the 65+ age group. But all of a sudden, if you cover 64 year olds with it, it becomes "unconstitutional".

Got it. Makes total sense now.

 

[ataraxia]

T Carlson was absolutely not doing that. in fact he was the ONLY media outlet reporting on the virus for 2 or 3 weeks initially.

Who cares about T Carlson? The entire rest of Fox was.

You know what Hannity called it? A “fraud” by the deep state to spread panic in the populace, manipulate the economy and suppress dissent.

“May be true,” Mr. Hannity then suggested ominously to millions of listeners around the country.

Trish Regan dismissed, trivialized, and politicized the whole thing by confidently declaring that the worry over coronavirus “is yet another attempt to impeach the president.”

And most importantly, the president of the United states was dismissing it as just a "Democrat hoax". He's not saying that anymore, is he?

 

[Thoreau72]

Now watch repubs, conservatives and libertarians say "freebies from the gov are not socialism'.

Yeah, right.

Hypocrites.

Totally!

And the many corporations in this "exceptional" capitalist country are standing in line to be compensated for poor business practices by the government.

The clothes are off the emperor, the veil has been removed.

 

[smallvoice]

Not so much. What happens to that money you put into it when you die? You cannot put it in a will. Your loved ones do not get the rest of 'your money.'

I intend to outlast the bastards. And it's mine as long as I live, so what happens to it when I die is irrelevant.

 

[smallvoice]

That's not how taxes work. Your taxes don't go into an account ledger whereupon it's returned to you.

Taxes are not a personal thing, they are a collective thing.

Collective, get it?

My premise stands.

Your "premise" means nothing.

 

[jamesbyoung]

jamesbyoung
Anyone can read the string and end up laughing at your failed attempts, Keridan.

Do you espouse libertarian philosophy? That would explain mucho.

You keep dodging, Keridan. That's OK. And it would be "... an Adam Smith libertarian, left leaning."

You are still dodging.

You are still dodging, Keridan. Take responsibility for attacking me and strawman arguments.

You have yet to come close to showing any personal attacks - Of course, that's because they don't exist, but don't let that stop you from posting the same lies again and again

And your attempt to call something a strawman that is not are getting boring - what is the title of this thread again?

I have to tell you though, these posts are going from adorable to desperate and pleading; you might try a different route

Your continuation of dodging, strawman argumentation, and fabrication is obvious, Keridan. But continue by all means.

 

[Keridan]

jamesbyoung
Anyone can read the string and end up laughing at your failed attempts, Keridan.

Do you espouse libertarian philosophy? That would explain mucho.

You keep dodging, Keridan. That's OK. And it would be "... an Adam Smith libertarian, left leaning."

You are still dodging.

You are still dodging, Keridan. Take responsibility for attacking me and strawman arguments.



Your continuation of dodging, strawman argumentation, and fabrication is obvious, Keridan. But continue by all means.

Okay, to continue to respond, I will wait until you address one single point or show your posts have anything of even basic intelligence to offer- I have a certain threshold for rational thought and intelligence and your posts fell below it some time ago

Good luck with that and all!

 

[jamesbyoung]

Jamesbyoung
jamesbyoung
Anyone can read the string and end up laughing at your failed attempts, Keridan.

Do you espouse libertarian philosophy? That would explain mucho.

You keep dodging, Keridan. That's OK. And it would be "... an Adam Smith libertarian, left leaning."

You are still dodging.

You are still dodging, Keridan. Take responsibility for attacking me and strawman arguments.

Your continuation of dodging, strawman argumentation, and fabrication is obvious, Keridan. But continue by all means.

Okay, to continue to respond, I will wait until you address one single point or show your posts have anything of even basic intelligence to offer- I have a certain threshold for rational thought and intelligence and your posts fell below it some time ago

Good luck with that and all!

All of your queries have been competently me and rebutted above, Keridan. So, no, "nuh uh" and "just once more" don't cut it.

 

[apdst]

This is how the moochers will sell it.

What was your tax bill last year? How much did you write the check for?

 

[CaughtInThe]

What was your tax bill last year? How much did you write the check for?

you'll cash you assistance check as you complain about the moochers who cash their assistance checks in Chicago and Baltimore.

this stuff is all too predictable.

 

[Lane65]

Your post is a red herring. The fact is, you don't understand what socialism is, so you throw out words like "freebie" in a lame attempt to draw an incorrect connection, which is why this country can't get its act together.

Socialism: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Socialism has been around since the cave dwellers. They collectively, as a unit, hunted and gathered for the whole, not like in the US where the laborers work and toil for the benefit of a few, such as CEO's, Executives, etc.

Socialism is the opposite of a Monarchy, Oligarchy, Dictatorship, Capitalism etc.; whereas members of society, as a whole, collectively benefit from their labor, not just a few. Not sure why this is a bad thing? Wow...employees putting more money in their pocket instead of someone else's or getting access to the same medical care as everyone else---what a horrible horrible concept! Interestingly this was the motivating factor that drove the Colonists to revolt because all their hard earned wages were being taken by a King so he could use it on his empirical follies.

Democrats are just as capitalistic as Republicans; whereas they BOTH follow the same economic system/model in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

Welfare is not socialism, its capitalistic in nature as the work of others is going into someone else's pocket---its just flipped upside down where the bottom benefits v. the top, although they do to when the economy goes south. Socialism is akin to the State owning a utility company where ALL of its members (residents) shares in the profits it produces, thereby cutting down the cost significantly because profits are not going into the pockets of a few such as CEO's, Executives or shareholders but is distributed back to the people who use it.

I'm tired of people not understanding what socialism actually is. Despite popular myths, there is very little connection between economic performance and welfare expenditure. Many so-called socialist countries, such as Denmark and Finland both have a very strong workforce so its not about how much money they produce, its that they provide social programs, like medical care, family leave, etc. to ALL members of society whether one makes $1,000 or $1,000,000.00.

 

[Bullseye]

Point being...?

If you have to ask, it would be a waste of time explaining.

 

[Bullseye]

They're more socialist than we are.

They don't think so I'll take their word for it.

 

[Aberration]

I paid it in, I'm taking it all out. What's to understand about that?

Don't die early.

Math. Your attitude is why it will run out funds in 2034. That’s all anyone thinks, I paid in. I get mine. Just because you put a penny on the counter doesn’t mean you paid for a Big Mac.

When younger generations find out they will get 90%, 80%, 70%.... because Grandma had to get hers and **** her grandchildren.... an entire generation is going to be pretty pissed off at the scam of socialists.

I’m sure they understand [emoji1787]

 

[Aberration]

It is my belief that socialism is when the government controls the means of production of goods and service within any given society. What do you consider to be socialism?

That’s only half. The other half is commanding the economy. Like determining what is bought and sold. Or giving out freebies.

 

[JustHanging]

Are these freebies going to be like the $2,500 saving I was going to get from Obamacare?

No, Obama had it about right. Per capita costs of the five most expensive healthcare systems in the world as of 2016:


1. United States 9,892
2. Switzerland 7,919
3. Luxembourg 7,463
4. Norway 6,647
5. Germany 5,551

But let's face it, 1/3 of America is too poorly educated to understand what "per capita" means, and are forced to accept whatever they hear on FOX News and Stormfront as gospel truth. Trump counts on it.

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'

 

[Geoist]

They don't think so I'll take their word for it.

Link?

 

[Geoist]

If you have to ask, it would be a waste of time explaining.

Seriously, I am curious what your point is. So what if they're dead? Conservatives at the time opposed Social Security and Medicare for the same reasons GOP today oppose Medicare for All and UBI. Conservatives have almost always been wrong when one looks back at history (and no, racist Southern Democrats weren't liberal/progressive and Nazis weren't socialists.) :roll:

 

[veritas1]

No, Obama had it about right. Per capita costs of the five most expensive healthcare systems in the world as of 2016:


1. United States 9,892
2. Switzerland 7,919
3. Luxembourg 7,463
4. Norway 6,647
5. Germany 5,551

But let's face it, 1/3 of America is too poorly educated to understand what "per capita" means, and are forced to accept whatever they hear on FOX News and Stormfront as gospel truth. Trump counts on it.

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'

One needn't be overly educated to hear Obama making false promises.

 

[danielpalos]

Being a good socialist, I am willing to think positive and help stimulate the economy. xoxo

 

[danielpalos]

Your post is a red herring. The fact is, you don't understand what socialism is, so you throw out words like "freebie" in a lame attempt to draw an incorrect connection, which is why this country can't get its act together.

Socialism: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

Socialism has been around since the cave dwellers. They collectively, as a unit, hunted and gathered for the whole, not like in the US where the laborers work and toil for the benefit of a few, such as CEO's, Executives, etc.

Socialism is the opposite of a Monarchy, Oligarchy, Dictatorship, Capitalism etc.; whereas members of society, as a whole, collectively benefit from their labor, not just a few. Not sure why this is a bad thing? Wow...employees putting more money in their pocket instead of someone else's or getting access to the same medical care as everyone else---what a horrible horrible concept! Interestingly this was the motivating factor that drove the Colonists to revolt because all their hard earned wages were being taken by a King so he could use it on his empirical follies.

Democrats are just as capitalistic as Republicans; whereas they BOTH follow the same economic system/model in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

Welfare is not socialism, its capitalistic in nature as the work of others is going into someone else's pocket---its just flipped upside down where the bottom benefits v. the top, although they do to when the economy goes south. Socialism is akin to the State owning a utility company where ALL of its members (residents) shares in the profits it produces, thereby cutting down the cost significantly because profits are not going into the pockets of a few such as CEO's, Executives or shareholders but is distributed back to the people who use it.

I'm tired of people not understanding what socialism actually is. Despite popular myths, there is very little connection between economic performance and welfare expenditure. Many so-called socialist countries, such as Denmark and Finland both have a very strong workforce so its not about how much money they produce, its that they provide social programs, like medical care, family leave, etc. to ALL members of society whether one makes $1,000 or $1,000,000.00.

The "war powers production act" gainsays your contention. Government is socialism.