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What the hell am I talking about? Texas is one of the worst states and there are multiple organizations fighting CPS everyday... I have been in family court too, and listened to the lies, the delaying tactics and the other outrageous behavior of these CPS workers, so I'm sure you are more aware of this than you are letting on...
Honestly..... thread completely derailed ....
You guys need to GET A ROOM.
I don't believe that's the reason I gave. Higlighting the to me portion suggests you are not following the meaning of the sentence. The reason would risk, health risk, danger, and has nothing to do with my like or dislike.
And you think the government has every business completely regulating any and all health risks using force if needed?
This keeps coming back to a simple and logical point.
You have every right to F yourself up all you want.
Your right to do that however stops when it starts f-ing with someone elses rights.
Especially when it's a restrained child in a very close environment.
This keeps coming back to a simple and logical point.
You have every right to F yourself up all you want.
Your right to do that however stops when it starts f-ing with someone elses rights.
Especially when it's a restrained child in a very close environment.
That isn't the America I want to live in.
How does CPS decide when to remove a child from his parents? | news10.net
The above source explains the procedures CPS is supposed to follow. And how often that is not the case.
Father of foster child who died speaks to KVUE | kvue.com Austin
^CPS took this child from her parents because they smoked pot. She died in foster care.
There's much more where that came from--
So now the government is going to force you to be a better parent.
I don't think that there is 100% evidence either way...
Honestly..... thread completely derailed ....
You guys need to GET A ROOM.
While you're swimming through all of those links that point out the horrible things...everything from the CPS abductions and maltreatment of children by foster homes. See how many you can find about tens of thousands (perhaps 100s of thousands) parents who have abused and neglected...and abandoned their kids that caused their kids to be come awards of the state. If a kid winds up as a ward of the state...that is abuse in and of itself. Oh, don't forget about all of the parents who have brutalized, tortured, and murdered their kids. They missed out on all of the abuse at the hands of the state.
State governments have for years consistently cut funding to agencies who are charged with the huge tasks of providing some type of safety net for kids. There is an oxymoron at work when funding is cut to these agencies. It's usually done by those legislators who cry about abortion and the killing of the poor little innocent unborn. Or who work to cut social services which feed kids and provide health care. Kids can't advocate for themselves. They aren't responsible for their parents failings. Go figure?
No, CPS is involved in this discussion since people have foolishly stated that smoking in a car with children is child abuse.
Is your answer making new laws and adding to the bureaucracy? This approach is not logical.
New laws? Adding to Bureaucracy? That's hilarious. I never stated an answer...only pointed out the realities about the system and it's relationship to parents who abuse, neglect and abandon (oh and murder) their kids. And my comments...had nothing specifically about smoking.
So I assume that you are supporting not regulating parents ability to smoke around their kids? Or more specifically smoke inside of a car, which also has children present?
No disrespect to you personally, but given the undeniable data that tobacco products are seriously dangerous, and children are powerless to remove themselves from environments which has the potential to cause them harm.
I'd say people who adamantly speak out against children being protected from a known danger (cigarette/or the like smoke)...is an addict's swan song. Sooner or later...protecting kids will happen. And it looks like sooner might be he case.
How that type of regulation or law might play out in CPS...I don't have a clue.
You're free to move.
I dont care even a little bit if you smoke. You know good and well I was talking about you smoking with children in the car with you.
You are king so you gonna smoke in your car with your kids, even though it almost certainly causes the kids harm? I hope their respiratory problems PLEASE you. Unbelieveable.
Sonny my parents and grandparents ALL smoked in the car with me and they smoked a hell of a lot more than I have and I DIDNT have a choice. That said after 19 years of that I had a very thorough physical related to a job I was going to take including chest x-rays and lung capacity tests, my lungs were fine, as good or better than any other healthy 19 year old males. When I smoke in my smoking vehicles or den, and I take passengers or guests, it is known I smoke and that if they can come along if they wish, I don't MAKE people come with me child or adult.
As I said before secondhand smoke danger is minimal at worst case scenarios. There are NO studies that PROVE secondhand smoke does any harm let alone significant harm. Cars and diesels and even electric motors put out more noxious fumes by far and nobody is having a cow about what those carcinogens do to people and children. I am most definitely NOT going to worry about either secondhand smoke or noxious fumes from equipment. Risk is part of life, some people know that some don't. Last I checked, nobody lives forever. Life is a terminal disease. I am not going to get all hot and bothered about something that might cause harm over a very long period of exposure. I don't live my life that way I and I teach the children they shouldn't live it that way themselves. People have to learn to live with and assume risk and learn how to identify that risk that really requires mitigation and that risk that doesn't. Secondhand smoke is far down my list of risks that require mitigation if any.
Smoking with your kids in the car is a stupid and avoidable risk.
My point is this: yes, I acknowledge that smoking is unhealthy and kids shouldn't be exposed to that. And granted, parents who smoke around their kids are self centered douche bags. However, I cannot support more restrictions based on harm that might or might not take place. An entire generation of people grew up with parents who smoked in cars. Most of them are fine. If we start make laws based on what might happen, society will definitely become too restrictive. Of course exceptions do exist, and they need to be handled on a case by case basis. If a child has asthma and is constantly exposed to cigarette smoke, his or her life could be an immediate danger. THAT would be a situation where CPS could already intervene without a smoke ban placed on everyone else. But adding another law to an increasing bureaucracy is foolish. There is a long list of actions parents should avoid around children. Do all of them need bans? In a free society, people need to be able to govern themselves. This requires an educated population. With that in mind, I can see why people are being dumbed down.
Smoking with your kids in the car is a stupid and avoidable risk. It is truly sad you want to. I wish you could be arrested for child abuse, because that is exactly what it is.
Smoking with your kids in the car is a stupid and avoidable risk. It is truly sad you want to. I wish you could be arrested for child abuse, because that is exactly what it is.
And you think the government has every business completely regulating any and all health risks using force if needed?
You think that this is about what might happen? Are you saying that all of the accumulated data on children's health attributed directly to cigarette smoke...KNOWN health issues CAUSED by cigarette smoke (a history of what has happened) is some sort of a conspiracy against freedom and the right to self-govern by taking actions to significantly reduce children's exposure to known health risks...that are so unpredictable.
What part of "children can't advocate for themselves...and...they can't remove themselves from known dangers"....don't you understand? This isn't about adults having the right to self-govern. This is about addicts who ignore the known dangers of smoking, who are willing to go to any length to protect their addiction...not their children.
If you are a smoker. And I tell you that the next cigarette that you smoke around your kid will cause it to have a lifetime of health issues. Would you smoke it?
That's a calculated risk that all smokers impose on their kids...when they choose self govern while also engaging in a self-destructive behavior.
We, as individuals, don't live in glass boxes. We don't have an invisible shield around us that protects others from our self-destructive behaviors.
You want to shoot dope or smoke till you die...groovy, your an adult, go for it. But don't expose me or your kid to all of the negative consequences of your behaviors just because you have the right to self-destruct.
I'm not a smoker. I just don't see the point in adding another law or ban to an ever-increasing government. And arresting these people? Jesus Christ, the lunacy of certain opinions.
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