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-- Honesty, if the demographic-changing effect of open-door immigration hasn't sorted out the unemployment problems of the 'too white and too lazy' British by now, then it never will.
Further back-handed confirmation that large-scale immigration was only to deliver coolie labour to cheapskate firms, plus 'rub the Right's nose in Diversity' for its own sake!
Predictably there's the usual barrage of abuse about the job market being denied the ready labour pool it needs as fuel,
What about all those millions of migrants who have settled here since the real immigration booms since the 60s and 70s? More than enough you'd think.
-- Surely to God the randy little tykes --
. But they're too busy to work for themselves to care about us, as well as they're crowding an ever-shrinking British job market all the more.--
the immigration scandal is chiefly about --
They've added to the UK economy. What's the problem with that?
Careful, your true colours are showing through..
EU rules.
My point exactly. We were told all these immigrants were going to be the golden goose to rescue a Britain economically knackered because of war and then inept or dogmatic politicians.
-- Instead they settled in, worked and retired without actually bailing anyone out in that heroic and selfless way we're told to expect. Just like the 'actual' British! So we're back to square one but with a larger older population to take care of.
-- 'Exposed' eh? You've got me quaking.
. The Pakistanis pleasure their aromatic way to produce 4 children per couple per generation. -- No 'sheen' being rubbed off there.
They're not toiling to make sure your auntie Rose doesn't die of cold and hunger in the winter, they work for the reasons everyone else works - to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads. And perhaps enjoy a bit of luxury too.
They wouldn't think about their duty here being to boost the funds for British OAPS would they? I imagine they'd feel a bit insulted to be told that actually. That flannel's only for our consumption because the reality is that successive governments have INVITED people from overseas to come here and improve their lives (preferably in a job).
Ought to be 'exposed' more often
And with government plans to have people move round the country to find work -- And that means denuding the jobs for locals, no matter how well-meaning the ideas.
Do you have a link for your version ( these immigrants were going to be the golden goose to rescue a Britain economically knackered)
On the contrary - Alexa has had you down as a National Front / BNP supporter for quite a while. You may not be but your phrasing says much about you.
Or do you have a link to demonstrate that their employment or labour did not produce taxes and national insurance?
Empty rhetoric.
Why are the locals not getting those jobs then?
Playing cute now are we?
-- Examples and rebuttals: Economics of Immigration
-- I couldn't care less what she says, it's not important outside debates between us. She even thinks I'm in the EDL!
-- Don't pick on the lighthearted phrasing if you can't rebut the argument! That's just cheap!
-- Never claimed they didn't. Sidetrack invalid.
-- You only say that because you can't rebut it. They did indeed come here on the promise to improve their lot rather than be milked for taxes to boost pensions for those already here. Disprove it or stop cheaply dismissing.
-- Some jobs are ringfenced, or as you say unsuitable. Too many youths, through no fault of their own, have been let down by the education system. If they're not rendered artificially thick and locked out, trade jobs can actually also end up going to better-skilled foreigners whose home governments at least cared more for them. (And other jobs still, like the Asda meat job in the news, circumvent discrimination laws to ask for specific language speakers, or just pay wages only a coolie would work for anyway.)
It is good that more people here could have a better go at the jobs if they moved about. However, it's sad to even think that people can copy Auf Weidersehen Pet without actually leaving the country.
Immigrants (as a mass) have always been heralded as as some kind of cavalry - extra workers during the boom years and rescue workers otherwise.
-- this latest guff designed to speak for all times, that immigrants make up the financial deficit in whatever area, is false.
-- it's madness to keep the doors open when there are so many people here to be trained and put to work.
—the limited recovery of the 1950s,
-- (And I don't mind one bloke insulting the other side, in the blog linked-to previously. After all, I've had leftists belittle me for years for not thinking the 'right' thing
-- It's well known that 'race quotas' exist whereby certain proportions of ethnic minorities have to be taken on by employers
-- as well as the well-known Asda meat packing thing in the news.
Fact is, there are tons of radical muslims in the UK, and as a group they aren't very productive either.
If they are the ones who are going to support the future pensioners, then I will be worried. So it makes no sense that UK should accept them to pay for future pensioners.
That's why Conservatives have put in place the cap.
By accepting tons of immigrants, then UK will be overpopulated. Hence UK should try to accept less immigrants so that the population won't increase too much.
--That's why Europe is destroying themselves by taking up tons of unproductive immigrants --
Anything?
Except that much of what he says is completely rubbish. Did you even read his rebuttal of the “we’re all immigrants?” section?
He’s obviously never read any of Professor Steve Jones’s work on DNA or even thought his argument is rubbished by any cursory investigation of the most rudimentary DNA research of 90% of the UK population.
I don’t want well known – I want proof so I can take whoever is doing it to court.
We will get a set of links to Daily Mail opinion columns and immigrant-hate "reports".
-- what a wicked Daily Mail-reading economic parasite I am
--First, I'm not trying to downplay the economic recovery of the '50s.
-- However, the question still isn't answered that if we needed migrants to rescue our country economically, why not have encouraged those already-experienced women war workers to take up the slack rather than bring more people in?
-- A very impassioned and heartfelt whinge. 'Cept, of course, he didn't mention race or DNA once! Well well well, who's being the little pygmy trying to put a 'racial' angle on it now?!
-- WAYCISM, WAYCISM, WAYCISM! --
-- We had some capacity for taking on an additional workforce from outside during the limited recovery of the 1950s --
-- First, I'm not trying to downplay the economic recovery of the '50s. --snip-- However, the question still isn't answered that if we needed migrants to rescue our country economically, why not have encouraged those already-experienced women war workers to take up the slack rather than bring more people in?--
If that's your attitude then I can't be bothered either. Personal invalidation and trying to drag me into racial arguments all the time just don't make this thread fun.
It's here to flash your ego about, isn't it! Well, some of us by the looks!
There are people who have done calculations, for instance one professor did that for Denmark and found that immigration to Denmark was negative. http://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1058832277Only in certain quarters..
If it's a "fact" you should easily be able to provide proof of the numbers?
And I would be worried if the current immigrants are the ones who are going to support the future pensioners.The current workforce in Britain pays National Insurance and taxes which contribute towards current pension payments. When RoP or I am a pensioner, someone else in the future will be paying for our pensions then - not RoP or myself.
I don't really care if they do. I don't live in Britain and I don't vote in elections in Britian. However we are talking about the current cap, which I support.The Cons have put a cap in place because it's politically expedient. What they would really like to do is put a cap on EU immigration so they make a symbolic gesture. None of the political parties are allowed to stop EU migrants UNLESS they take us out of the EU first.
Then why do the left go mad? If it is allready limited, then there is no reason to complain.The numbers of non EU migrants was already limited by the previous Govt when they (finally) brought in the points system. What has happened since is merely symbolic gestures to placate a worried electorate.
I didn't say that every single problem is the fault of immigrants, but I am saying that immigrants to UK is affecting UK negatively. Then it's madness to take even more immigrants when UK is so overcrowded. Also because of this immigration, emigration of qualified Britons are increasing.Strange, do you have figures / links to show that immigration is the cause of the credit crunch? or of Italy / France / England being booted out of the World Cup? Or that the economy of any EU country is suffering directly because of immigrants?
Yes, you do need to back up such wild claims with hard evidence for them to be abything more than xenophobic flannel. You make the claims, prove them. As you admit, you don't live in Britain, so how do you know?Anyway, you don't need numbers like that to know that it affect Britain negative to take in tons of muslims, many radical.
1. It changes the culture in a way we don't approve
2. Their labour participatation is lower
3. Fewer go to university
4. They pay less in taxes and have lower income
5. More of them live on social sexurity
6. They have a much higher crime rate
Where's your evidence that the Left is going mad? I haven't read any wildly emotive articles attacking the immigration cap. I think it's pointless and nothing more than a gesture, but 'going mad' suggests wild protests and furious condemnation. Please provide some evidence that this is happening.Then why do the left go mad? If it is allready limited, then there is no reason to complain.
Proof?I didn't say that every single problem is the fault of immigrants, but I am saying that immigrants to UK is affecting UK negatively. Then it's madness to take even more immigrants when UK is so overcrowded. Also because of this immigration, emigration of qualified Britons are increasing.
Where's your proof that Sweden's rise in rape has got anything to do with the immigrant population? These wild claims are nothing but xenophobic ranting. The UK crime rate is falling BTW.There are problems that are affected by immigrants. For instance think about the riots in France, or a country I know better. Sweden got a lot of problems because of immigrants. Their rape statistics have increased from 20 per 100K to 60 per 100K the last 10 years. In comparison, US got 30 per 100K and was falling. Crime rate in Sweden has increased a lot. They also had riots like France. After what I have seen UK crie rate has been on the rise.
So it's a wild claim that immigration to UK are affecting UK negatively. You are so full of yourself that you are correct by definition, are you? Also, is it xenophobic to claim that immigration to UK is not positive? Seriously!Yes, you do need to back up such wild claims with hard evidence for them to be abything more than xenophobic flannel. You make the claims, prove them. As you admit, you don't live in Britain, so how do you know?
Who cares, but the fact is. If it didn't matter, then why should the left care.Where's your evidence that the Left is going mad? I haven't read any wildly emotive articles attacking the immigration cap. I think it's pointless and nothing more than a gesture, but 'going mad' suggests wild protests and furious condemnation. Please provide some evidence that this is happening.
If you don't know that emigration is on the rise, then I think you should educate yourself. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3982217.stmProof?
Is that the only thing you can say, give me proof and using the racist card?! I think it's too much of coincidence thatWhere's your proof that Sweden's rise in rape has got anything to do with the immigrant population? These wild claims are nothing but xenophobic ranting. The UK crime rate is falling BTW.
If that's your attitude then I can't be bothered either. Personal invalidation and trying to drag me into racial arguments all the time just don't make this thread fun. (It was about numbers you fool!)
Not once was the question answered of why we needed open-door immigration. You just went into 'holohoax' mode and just contradicted everything without anything more than your say-so.
And seeing as my supplementary backup evidence is so pointless and baseless in comparison to your own superior, well-crafted... oh, you didn't put any up did you?
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