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Simple question about January 6th participants

RaleBulgarian said:
You do realize that every single one of those that were on the grounds of the Capitol building were, at a minimum, trespassing, right?
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That’s fairly common among protesters
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You do realize that every single one of those that were on the grounds of the Capitol building were, at a minimum, trespassing, right?
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Sure, but personally I am not going to pretend to be outraged about the kinds of offenses that were commonplace in civil rights or anti war protests. I always felt that cops arresting, jailing and and prosecuting protesters on trespassing charges were mostly showing 'excessive zeal'. Now once we begin to see other criminal conduct including vandalism, and rioting necessitating disperse orders, the urgency level to regain control demands a much firmer approach later on.
 
BabaVoss said:
Some are criminal insurrectionists. Most I judge as not very bright, as they were led to be there by listening to Trump.
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All were led to be there by Trump. Without Trump's 'Big Lie', no attempted insurrection would have occurred.
 
independentusa said:
In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?
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It was a large group with a mix of motivations but I would be hard pressed to call any of them patriots since they were opposing one of the very foundational institutions of the US system, which is free/fair elections and the peaceful transition of power.
 
M1Gringo said:
He was an FBI operative that led the riot. He's never been arrested and has been praised by the J6 committee and 60 Minutes did a glowing piece on him.
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It was proven in court that the Proud Boys led the riot. It all started off with them causing the first breach of police lines. There are numerous convictions of seditious conspiracy and Ray Epps is not mentioned in any of them.

Try and catch up.
 
independentusa said:
In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?
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A combination of all to be fair, the majority of people there were not involved in anything but a protests About 2000 started riot that got out of hand mainly because of a lack of police for a planned event.
 
Chillfolks said:
That’s fairly common among protesters
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It is, and out of all the thousands of Trumpsters that took part in the events at the Capitol building on 1/6/21, how many that never entered the building, or assaulted police, or destroyed property have been charged with any crimes?

Fact is, the majority of the Trumpsters that were at the Capitol building weren’t charged with any crimes.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
It is, and out of all the thousands of Trumpsters that took part in the events at the Capitol building on 1/6/21, how many that never entered the building, or assaulted police, or destroyed property have been charged with any crimes?

Fact is, the majority of the Trumpsters that were at the Capitol building weren’t charged with any crimes.
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Last I saw, about 1,000 or so have been charged with crimes. I suspect there will be many more.
 
independentusa said:
In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?
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Seriously?

You have to ask?

They came to DC that day to stop the peace transfer of power. How obvious does it have to be?

They wanted their God to remain in power.
This is not opinion, this is fact.
 
btthegreat said:
I am not going to pretend to be outraged about the kinds of offenses that were commonplace in civil rights or anti war protests
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Really? When did these protests try to stop the peaceful transfer of power to effectively install a dictator?
 
independentusa said:
In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?
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There was a wide spectrum of participants in my opinion. Ranging from violent, military wannabe homegrown terrorist extremists, (traitors) to destructive rioting insurrectionists with intent on disrupting democracy, all the way over to Grampa and Gramma Kettle who just showed up to wear their red-hat and wave signs and parrot hicktard rightwing propaganda bullshit.
 
noonereal said:
Really? When did these protests try to stop the peaceful transfer of power to effectively install a dictator?
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The charge is not attached to a protest. The charge is attached to a specific protester. That means its the conduct and the intent of the specific protester that is at issue. I can't tell you how often folks accused the anti- war protesters collectively of treason for giving 'aide and comfort to the enemy'. My point is that we can't get sloppy in our use of language and we can't get presumptuous with respect to what protesters knew, believed and intended.
 
btthegreat said:
The charge is not attached to a protest. The charge is attached to a specific protester. That means its the conduct and the intent of the specific protester that is at issue. I can't tell you how often folks accused the anti- war protesters collectively of treason for giving 'aide and comfort to the enemy'. My point is that we can't get sloppy in our use of language and we can't get presumptuous with respect to what protesters knew, believed and intended.
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Dumb post.
 
noonereal said:
Dumb post.
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That means you have no rebuttal. You want to generalize about 'the protesters' collectively because your outrage trumps your reason. That's not how our justice system works. Put your cookie cutter back in the drawer.
 
btthegreat said:
That means you have no rebuttal. You want to generalize about 'the protesters' collectively because your outrage trumps your reason. That's not how our justice system works. Put your cookie cutter back in the drawer.
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When I say dumb post its because its a dumb post. No other reason.

Conflating an attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power with civil rights or anti war protests to ridiculous. Its dumb. Its a logical fallacy. Dumb.
 
independentusa said:
In your opinion, were they patriots, just rioters or there to stop the congress from naming Biden president?
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A flawed question.
Congress doesn't name a president.
It isn't a parliament.
Congress witnesses the VP counting the electoral ballots, as cast by the people who elect the president.

They j6 people were rioters.
 
A Linoge said:
A combination of all to be fair, the majority of people there were not involved in anything but a protests About 2000 started riot that got out of hand mainly because of a lack of police for a planned event.
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That's so wrong. It was not a planned event. No permit was ever acquired for any protest on capital grounds. The capital was closed due to covid.

Keep trying to make excuses for the indicted slob. He's just going to get indicted again.
 
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