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ive never asked for anything special at any job I have ever had, due to my faith.
Well, I hope you've never asked for time off, a pay raise, a change in schedule, a transfer in department, or anything else of the sort for any reason at all -- because asking for something for religious reasons is exactly the same as asking for that same something for any other reason whatsoever.
ive never asked for anything special at any job I have ever had, due to my faith.
I'm skeptical about this. If an employee does something 'on whimsy', they should expect to be fired for it by management. If the management are in cahoots with the 'whimsy', then the business itself may well suffer from it - but that's a problem for the business, rather than anything else; the free market will take care of it. I agree it would be a ridiculous situation to have a single cashier in a shop who refuses to sell products that are on offer in the shop. But any business which tries that model isn't going to survive for long.
The exceptions I would make for this rule are when it involves something like racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc - or when it results in harm to the customer. So a pharmacist who refuses to serve a gay man buying condoms, a waiter who refuses to serve a mixed-race couple etc - they get rightfully sued. And a Jehovah's Witness shouldn't be working at a hospital if they plan on boycotting blood transfusions. Apart from that, though - private company, private rules.
…Most people think it's a good thing when people can come to such an agreement without invoking outside authorities. It's only people like you who think that's a bad thing.
you're lying again Bob, as I've said nothing about govt. or govt. stepping in.
its too bad the owner agreed to make accomodations for her "needs".
id love to have seen this in court.
Have you ever made a request of any kind to management at any time?
Did you, or did you not write the following?
Well, I hope you've never asked for time off, a pay raise, a change in schedule, a transfer in department, or anything else of the sort for any reason at all -- because asking for something for religious reasons is exactly the same as asking for that same something for any other reason whatsoever.
How is it any different to refuse service based upon the person not being the same religion as you? That's basically what this is. If you aren't Muslim and thus eating the way she eats, she will refuse you service....
No, that's not accurate. If she was discriminating on religious grounds, that would be a wrist-slap, fair enough. But it's a pretty far stretch to go from her position to your inference. She's not refusing people because of their religion, she's asking to avoid handling produce which is obviously non-halal. If I went in and brought a tube of toothpaste, she wouldn't refuse to serve me; even if I needed it to clean the bacon out from where it was stuck in my teeth.How is it any different to refuse service based upon the person not being the same religion as you? That's basically what this is. If you aren't Muslim and thus eating the way she eats, she will refuse you service.
Like I said, I'm not saying they don't have the right to do it. They certainly do. But it's obviously and outrightly allowing an employee to be discriminatory in the workplace.
You represent the company when you are at work, not your own personal beliefs.
…Most people think it's a good thing when people can come to such an agreement without invoking outside authorities. It's only people like you who think that's a bad thing.
you're lying again Bob, as I've said nothing about govt. or govt. stepping in.
its too bad the owner agreed to make accomodations for her "needs".
id love to have seen this in court.
that doesn't mean I want the government to legislate on this issue.
That's not what you said in post #12.asking for special favors at a job, due to religious reasons, makes one uppity, in my view.
oh, that's very different.
giving someone Rosh Hashanah, or Easter, or Id, or some other very important holiday off, is just common courtesy & respect.
Why don't you investigate that and get back to us?has such a favor been granted to ANYONE else at the store?
And what happens when a second (3rd/4th) girl shows up in a Hijab wanting a job at Wegmans?This is a decision made by an employer of a private business, and as such they have the right to allow whatever exceptions they want. If this was going to come up, I'm glad it was dealt with personally rather than governmentally.
But as others have brought up, there's a really bad precedent for this. People being refused service for all kinds of reasons. What if she's the only person working the register? Are you just supposed to go home, or drive however many miles to go somewhere else, even though the store sells pork/alcohol which you are supposed to be allowed to purchase?
How many people missed their flights and flushed a few hundred dollars down the drain because Muslim taxi drivers refused to transport their luggage if it contained alcohol?
How many girls had preventable unwanted pregnancies because they were denied access to emergency contraception by Christian pharm techs?
When you do a job, you are not representing yourself. You are representing the company you work for. If you cannot in good conscious do that, you should not work there.
It's all good and well to be tolerant towards employees with different lifestyles and beliefs. But what about being tolerant towards CUSTOMERS with different lifestyles and beliefs?
The customer can't help who happens to be the only person working the register, or the taxi driver they happened to run into, or the pharm tech they happened to run into. Why is it ok to discriminate against the customer, and deny them possibly vital service?
Why are they offering a service that the customer can be denied access to at the whimsy of an employee?
What's really ironic about this is that I'm on another thread about tattoos, and people are arguing that if you're going to display your personal beliefs with a tattoo, you should expect to be turned down for jobs.
Yet if you express your personal beliefs by denying your customers services that you are supposed to offer, you should expect special treatment?
I don't get this.
....You're moving the goalposts. I don't think either of us had yet said anything about legislation before this point.....
No, that's not accurate. If she was discriminating on religious grounds, that would be a wrist-slap, fair enough. But it's a pretty far stretch to go from her position to your inference. She's not refusing people because of their religion, she's asking to avoid handling produce which is obviously non-halal. If I went in and brought a tube of toothpaste, she wouldn't refuse to serve me; even if I needed it to clean the bacon out from where it was stuck in my teeth.
...Common courtesy and respect, just not to a Muslim. Duly noted.
Why don't you investigate that and get back to us?
I quoted exactly what you said in a previous post that contradicts what you said at a later stage. Feel free to debate on that instead of this nonsense.trying to snake in a way of accusing me of anti-Muslim bigotry, is pretty dishonest of you.
sorry to be the contrarian here, but I think this is absolutely ridiculous.
as a Jew, if I had problems touching a box or plastic package with pork or shellfish inside it, I would NOT work at a store that sold pork or shellfish.
I think this girl is wrong to ask to not have to handle pork or alcohol containing packages, and the store is even more wrong in enabling such an attitude of entitlement.
ugggg.
She isn't discriminating against people because of their religious beliefs. That's what 'discrimination on religious grounds' means. She is reluctant to handle certain items because of her religious beliefs - but that only means she doesn't want to serve you if you're buying those items at the time, not depending on what your beliefs are.She doesn't drink or eat pork because of her religious beliefs. How is this NOT discrimination on religious grounds?
She doesn't have to be discriminating against a SPECIFIC religion for it to be religious discrimination. She is discriminating against ALL non-Muslims. It's still discrimination. Just like a white person not discriminating against specifically black people, but rather ALL non-whites is still discrimination.
Whether she's discriminating based on all of her religious requirements is also not relevant. She is still discriminating based on two of them - no drinking, and no pork.
Good for Wegmans! It is their choice, their business and their policy. Good on them!
She isn't discriminating against people because of their religious beliefs. That's what 'discrimination on religious grounds' means. She is reluctant to handle certain items because of her religious beliefs - but that only means she doesn't want to serve you if you're buying those items at the time, not depending on what your beliefs are.
I don't want this legislated on. But I'd love to see a court tell this girl that her lawsuit is frivolous.
Now my view is clear.
...because Jews are required to buy alcohol every time they go shopping?as I stated before, Jews are required to drink alcohol during Passover and other holidays.
this means that this lady will NOT be serving many Jews during this week.
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