Should we be ruled by Christian laws?

[soylentgreen]

I said nothing remotely close to that, but whatever.

Yes you did, you said.

It's the reality of our system. You may disagree with "endowed by our creater" but it doesn't change how our system was designed to operate and damn sure doesn't change how it was a damn good idea

I don't believe should be, but that's neither here, nor there. If someone wants a particular thing to be a right, amend The Constitution. That's how our system works.

Agreed but your arguing that something cannot be a right because it is not already in the constitution does not reflect that.

I want free guns. It's my right.

Define the word free in this case. I remind you of your own words in your last post.

Free anything isn't a right in The United States.

I'm referencing the law of the land. It's the highest authority in The United States.

And i would absolutely agree with you if we were arguing law in a court room. But we are not. This is a debate site and the rules of debate is based on good reasoning not what an authority commands.

Should the government skirt the amendment process to create new rights? Absolutely not!

Again agreed. But the amendment process allows for debate in order to reach a decision. You are attempting to stifle debate by pointing out it is not a right already enumerated.

 

[iguanaman]

Free birth control isn't a right.

If you have an employer who uses his religion as an excuse to deny you it. You mean. Otherwise it is part of your insurance. Now we need to take our employers religion into account when we look for jobs. In fact I think all employers should be required to wear a armband signifying their religion if this is going to be part of our society now. It is such a slippery slope it isn't funny.

 

[apdst]

Yes you did, you said.




Agreed but your arguing that something cannot be a right because it is not already in the constitution does not reflect that.


Define the word free in this case. I remind you of your own words in your last post.


And i would absolutely agree with you if we were arguing law in a court room. But we are not. This is a debate site and the rules of debate is based on good reasoning not what an authority commands.

Again agreed. But the amendment process allows for debate in order to reach a decision. You are attempting to stifle debate by pointing out it is not a right already enumerated.

No, I said that free birth control isn't a right. You can debate it all you like.

 

[apdst]

If you have an employer who uses his religion as an excuse to deny you it. You mean. Otherwise it is part of your insurance. Now we need to take our employers religion into account when we look for jobs. In fact I think all employers should be required to wear a armband signifying their religion if this is going to be part of our society now. It is such a slippery slope it isn't funny.

Why does that sound so familiar? :lamo

 

[Cephus]

What are rights decided by then?

Some people think an imaginary man in the sky. Some people think they just float around in the ether. Then again, some people are complete idiots.

 

[Cephus]

The Constitution contains our enumarated rights.

But where did they come from? The people who voted to ratify the Constitution maybe?

 

[Cephus]

Anything that can be ligislated away isn't a guaranteed right. That's just the way it is. Free anything isn't a right in The United States.

There are no such things as guaranteed rights. The Constitution can be legislated away via the amendment process. It might be more difficult, but so long as it can be done, anything guaranteed by the Constitution can change.

Try again.

 

[apdst]

There are no such things as guaranteed rights. The Constitution can be legislated away via the amendment process. It might be more difficult, but so long as it can be done, anything guaranteed by the Constitution can change.

Try again.

The amendment process isn't the same as the legislative process in The United States.

 

[apdst]

But where did they come from? The people who voted to ratify the Constitution maybe?

If that's what you want to believe, go for it. I never said anything about that, either way.

 

[Cephus]

The amendment process isn't the same as the legislative process in The United States.

The effect is the same. The people can choose to change the Constitution any time they want. Therefore, the rights don't come from the Constitution, they come from the people.

 

[soylentgreen]

No, I said that free birth control isn't a right. You can debate it all you like.

We all know it is not a right. But that is not an arguement against it becoming one or even an arguement as to why it should not be considered as becoming a right.

 

[Cephus]

If that's what you want to believe, go for it. I never said anything about that, either way.

But you're the one who keeps arguing against it, even when everyone points out that you're wrong.

 

[apdst]

The effect is the same. The people can choose to change the Constitution any time they want. Therefore, the rights don't come from the Constitution, they come from the people.

The people, not Congress.

 

[Cephus]

The people, not Congress.

Congress are the elected representatives of the people, charged with implementing the will of the people.

 

[apdst]

But you're the one who keeps arguing against it, even when everyone points out that you're wrong.

I don't keep arguing against it.

 

[apdst]

We all know it is not a right. But that is not an arguement against it becoming one or even an arguement as to why it should not be considered as becoming a right.

If you want to argue that it should be a right, then go for it. Don't argue that it's a right when you admit that it isn't.

 

[Cephus]

I don't keep arguing against it.

Then why do you keep posting about it? We've already established that rights do not and cannot come from the Constitution and you refuse to answer where you think they actually come from.

 

[apdst]

Then why do you keep posting about it? We've already established that rights do not and cannot come from the Constitution and you refuse to answer where you think they actually come from.

I don't. You do.

 

[Cephus]

I don't. You do.

:roll:

 

[soylentgreen]

Some people think an imaginary man in the sky. Some people think they just float around in the ether. Then again, some people are complete idiots.

His argument is one i have heard before and find hard to get my head around. He is basically saying that your forefathers have done all your thinking for you and now future gnerations can just sit back in the knowledge that they need think no more. It's patriotism taken to a ludicrous extreme. America is what your founding fathers said it is and that is it. Do not question it, that is unamerican. It is frightening that the people of such a powerful country can be that way.

 

[soylentgreen]

If you want to argue that it should be a right, then go for it. Don't argue that it's a right when you admit that it isn't.

I would but then i am met by people like you waving the constitution and saying it is not a right so therefor can never be one.

Can you give me even one arguement for why it should not be a right that does not involve what your constitution has to say?

 

[Cephus]

His argument is one i have heard before and find hard to get my head around. He is basically saying that your forefathers have done all your thinking for you and now future gnerations can just sit back in the knowledge that they need think no more. It's patriotism taken to a ludicrous extreme. America is what your founding fathers said it is and that is it. Do not question it, that is unamerican. It is frightening that the people of such a powerful country can be that way.

In other words, founding father worship, the idea that anyone who lived a long time ago is smarter than we'll ever be, which is absurd. Appeals to authority are fallacious for a reason.

 

[apdst]

I would but then i am met by people like you waving the constitution and saying it is not a right so therefor can never be one.

Can you give me even one arguement for why it should not be a right that does not involve what your constitution has to say?

I never said any such thing.

Not with my money.

While you're amending The Constitution to make free birth control a right, you'll need to expand Congress's power to take money from American citizens and give it to other American citizens. That's a power that I absolutely oppose.

 

[Cephus]

I never said any such thing.

Not with my money.

While you're amending The Constitution to make free birth control a right, you'll need to expand Congress's power to take money from American citizens and give it to other American citizens. That's a power that I absolutely oppose.

The 16th Amendment is already there, sorry.

 

[independentusa]

It's really hard to take you seriously when you load your post with distortions and falsehoods. gays and transvestites already had the same exact rights as everyone else. What the LBGT community is seeking is special rights. And free birth control has never been a right, just a freebie tossed into that insane healthcare bill unaffectionately known as Obamacare. And no, we have not made it almost impossible for pregnant women, raped, victims of incest, or otherwise to get abortions. And while some of our laws were influenced by christian values, we are not a clerical state, never have been one, or ever will.

Actually after the latest statement by Sessions, you can be fired for being gay or transgender, if it is against the moral code of your employer. So now maybe you see why these people might think that they want the same special treatment afforded others, like women who are pregnant and blacks, and other minorities.