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SHould Trump's phone call be investigated and by which level of government, Federal or state?

Mycroft said:
What crime?

Never mind...you don't know.

You are dismissed.
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Look it up! Can't you even do anything but spit out the swill from the Trump family of Networks.
 
Mycroft said:
What does rejecting invalid votes have to do with a recount?

In any case, it's likely another recount would come up with a very different result if the invalid votes are found and rejected, don't you think?
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Does the Georgia secretary of state have the power to reject any ballots or declare them invalid all on his own?
 
BlueTex said:
Does the Georgia secretary of state have the power to reject any ballots or declare them invalid all on his own?
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Ummm...

Yes. In fact, that's his job. That's something he is required to do BEFORE he certifies the vote count.
 
Mycroft said:
Roy Cohn wasn't part of the DOJ and Barr wasn't Trump's legal counsel.
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Trump's words, if I remember correctly, were in frustration with things like Sessions recusing himself. Not surprisingly, he got rid of Sessions right after the midterms in 2018. Trump tends to punish ethical tendencies and actions, even from republicans, witness the transcript of the Georgia call people are talking about. Cohn had been Trump's lawyer, and it is generally accepted that Trump was, shall we say, unclear on the concept of DOJ independence.

Your post above needs to be re-worded: "Trump wanted Barr as his legal counsel, as sort of his Roy Cohn at the DOJ" is probably better, more accurate phrasing.

But Mycroft, you seem to have stars in your eyes about Trump, or as the Bible might put it, scales covering them. Is nothing he does unworthy of a defense from you?
 
Nickyjo said:
Your post above needs to be re-worded: "Trump wanted Barr as his legal counsel, as sort of his Roy Cohn at the DOJ" is probably better, more accurate phrasing.
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Only if you prefer spin and nonsense over fact.
 
Mycroft said:
What does rejecting invalid votes have to do with a recount?

In any case, it's likely another recount would come up with a very different result if the invalid votes are found and rejected, don't you think?
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Assuming the result discovers invalid votes in the quantities Trump insists on. Hint: when a guy tells you how many votes he wants changed, there's a problem. The problem with Trump's charges seems to be lack of e-v-I-d-e-n-c-e. And Trump's philosophy seems to be: "what's the point of me nominating judges if they won't decide things in my favor."
 
Mycroft said:
Ummm...

Yes. In fact, that's his job. That's something he is required to do BEFORE he certifies the vote count.
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Show me the Georgia statute that gives him this power...
 
Mycroft said:
The "pandemic" is irrelevant.

And yes...this was a "settlement negotiation". Either side is able to end the negotiations at any time.
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Trump tweeted as soon as he didn’t get what he wanted. Negotiations? Trump told them their counts were off by hundreds of thousands
 
Mycroft said:
Ummm...

Yes. In fact, that's his job. That's something he is required to do BEFORE he certifies the vote count.
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The fact that he certified them proves they are valid, going by what you believe.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Whoops!! So you DIDN'T know about the lawsuit. Sucks when you shoot of your mouth due to ignorance. All it leave you is the kind of nonsense remark you presented.

You are dismissed.
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Course I knew about the suit. There's been talk about it everywhere you look today. And it'll be as frivolous as all the others Trump's camp has wasted time with. How many now? Over forty, last time I saw, and against all odds this one is even emptier than all the others.
And you cultists still maintain that the call should be kept secret. You lot think there's no damage to the country that's not better than causing Trump discomfort.
You're still dodging questions, too. What negotiation do you say the call was about? What settlement? You know that the entire call is available to anyone with internet access, right?
 
Nickyjo said:
Assuming the result discovers invalid votes in the quantities Trump insists on. Hint: when a guy tells you how many votes he wants changed, there's a problem. The problem with Trump's charges seems to be lack of e-v-I-d-e-n-c-e. And Trump's philosophy seems to be: "what's the point of me nominating judges if they won't decide things in my favor."
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He didn't say how many he "wants changed". He said how many invalid votes rejected would change the election results.

Seriously...drop the spin. Stick to the facts.
 
independentusa said:
By now everyone knows of Trump's call to Raffensberger, the Secretary of state in Georgia. The question many have is did what Trump did on the phone call break any laws and if so who should investigate, the Federal government of the State of Georgia? I was listening to the talking heads this morning and found that to find Trump guilty of anything the prosecutors have a high bar to reach. They would have to determine and prove in court that Trump knows he has lost the election and is now trying by illegal means to overturn that election. Always hard to prove mental state of anyone and it will be especially hard with Trump as no one knows what his mental state is at any time. So should Trump's call be investigated and by which level of government?
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Got a feeling it's going to be like the Ukraine thing that's nothing and you know it is.
 
probably pointless. he is allegedly above laws.
 
Mycroft said:
Raffensberger is in deep shit. He is already being investigated and he is being sued for violating the confidentiality agreement regarding that call.

btw, yes...by now everyone knows ABOUT the call, but nobody knows exactly what was said during the call. We just know what the media has allowed us to know. Before you start speculating about "investigations", you should probably make sure you know what you are talking about.

Right now...you don't.
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As usual you got everything wrong.

In GA anyone can record their call PERIOD.

Still waiting for you to list the news sources you believe, why won't you post them?
 
Mycroft said:
He didn't say how many he "wants changed". He said how many invalid votes rejected would change the election results.

Seriously...drop the spin. Stick to the facts.
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Trump said, "I need to find 11,000 votes".

"All I need is 11,000 votes".

"I just want to find 11,780 votes".

"But we only lost the state by that number, 11,000 votes, and 779. So with that being said, with just what we have, with just what we have, we’re giving you minimal, minimal numbers. We’re doing the most conservative numbers possible; we’re many times, many, many times above the margin."

"But that’s the difference in the votes. But we’ve had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we’re able to actually — we’ll get you a pretty accurate number. You don’t need much of a number because the number that in theory I lost by, the margin would be 11,779. "
 
Mycroft said:
Raffensberger is in deep shit. He is already being investigated and he is being sued for violating the confidentiality agreement regarding that call.

btw, yes...by now everyone knows ABOUT the call, but nobody knows exactly what was said during the call. We just know what the media has allowed us to know. Before you start speculating about "investigations", you should probably make sure you know what you are talking about.

Right now...you don't.
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The full recording is available online as is the full transcript. There's absolutely no doubt Donald tried to illegally influence Brad Raffensperger. This is 100% an impeachable offence. Though I'm sure all the alt-right zealots here will have some illogical justification for Donald's seditious actions.
 
independentusa said:
By now everyone knows of Trump's call to Raffensberger, the Secretary of state in Georgia. The question many have is did what Trump did on the phone call break any laws and if so who should investigate, the Federal government of the State of Georgia? I was listening to the talking heads this morning and found that to find Trump guilty of anything the prosecutors have a high bar to reach. They would have to determine and prove in court that Trump knows he has lost the election and is now trying by illegal means to overturn that election. Always hard to prove mental state of anyone and it will be especially hard with Trump as no one knows what his mental state is at any time. So should Trump's call be investigated and by which level of government?
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both
 
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