Maybe we should give old people shorter jail sentences, since they have less time to live.
Do we give out tickets on the basis that they are a deterrent for speeding or do we give them out in order to make people pay for the threat that they are causing to other people?
No.
Profiling happens before a crime is committed. You can't get pulled on suspicion of speeding, just speeding.
And profiling involves some characteristic of the driver that's obvious. It's hard to target high income drivers. Perhaps they are targeting Lexus's instead of beat up Volkswagens?
We give out tickets to make more money for the State.
Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?
Yes, no ,maybe?
Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines
European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.
Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.
Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.
The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.
"As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
No.
Profiling happens before a crime is committed. You can't get pulled on suspicion of speeding, just speeding.
And profiling involves some characteristic of the driver that's obvious. It's hard to target high income drivers. Perhaps they are targeting Lexus's instead of beat up Volkswagens?
This has been done for years and should be public knowledge. Incarceration should be a thing of the past.There should be a goal to do this..Maybe we should give old people shorter jail sentences, since they have less time to live.
What if cops started only picking on the obviously wealthy motorists, because it would mean more revenue?
Yes, it would be profiling.
What if cops started only picking on the obviously wealthy motorists, because it would mean more revenue?
Yes, it would be profiling.
Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?
Yes, no ,maybe?
Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines
European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.
Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.
Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.
The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.
"As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
And I don't see why it should be any different.
How exactly is it related? Is the punishment for murder 10-15 for rich people but 25-30 for poor people?
Again, that's one way to look at how fines work. You could also look at it in terms of total amount
which I think is more logical
administratively simpler
and historically accepted.
As you note, we're talking about all fines, not just speeding. I can think of a dozen federal fines off the top of my head - environmental fines, SEC fines, etc.
We've had a system like this for the past 90 years and it seems to work just fine. Do all rich people drive 150mph wherever they go, killing children left and right?
As long as the cop who writes the ticket isn't the one who determined the fine, and isn't rewarded based on the amount of revenue he brings in, I don't see this being a problem. The cop would just issue the ticket and that would be the end of his involvement (assuming the driver doesn't contest it), much as it is now. The cop would have no particular incentive to write tickets for rich guys as opposed to the poor.
Should traffic fines and other fines be based on the income the offender makes?
Yes, no ,maybe?
Europe slapping rich with massive traffic fines
European countries are increasingly pegging speeding fines to income as a way to punish wealthy scofflaws who would otherwise ignore tickets.
Advocates say a $290,000 (euro203,180.83) speeding ticket slapped on a millionaire Ferrari driver in Switzerland was a fair and well-deserved example of the trend.
Germany, France, Austria and the Nordic countries also issue punishments based on a person's wealth. In Germany the maximum fine can be as much as $16 million compared to only $1 million in Switzerland. Only Finland regularly hands out similarly hefty fine to speeding drivers, with the current record believed to be a euro170,000 (then about $190,000) ticket in 2004.
The Swiss court appeared to set a world record when it levied the fine in November on a man identified in the Swiss media only as "Roland S." Judges in the eastern canton of St. Gallen described him as a "traffic thug" in their verdict, which only recently came to light.
"As far as we're concerned this is very good," Sabine Jurisch, a road safety campaigner with the Swiss group Road Cross.
To make sure cops are not the ones getting their hands on that type of information the police would only be allowed to write tickets that only state the percentage(for example someone speeds 10 miles above the speed limit then then fine would be writen .0025% x each mile above the limit 10x .0025% (or double in construction zone)or if it like a parking violation the fine would be a set percentage like .005% )I voted yes in principle, but in reality the government would have to have too much financial information on the person in order to assess their fine level. I wouldn't want cops having access to that information when issuing fines, or any level of government, other than maybe the IRS who is doing taxes. That information is confidential.
Also, as mentioned earlier, the points deduction system applies to all people regardless of financial class, so if you are a routine reckless driver you will still lose your license.
treated unfairly? If 10% of a poor persons income has to go to a fine why shouldn't 10% of a wealthy persons income go to a fine?
How about taxing the poor the same percentage as the rich on their incomes? The rich would still pay more but it would seem more fair wouldn't it? I mean, you seem concerned about the percentage of someone's income, and being fair to all. Seems like the rich are being treated unfairly if that is the thinking on this board.
I vote no. It's ridiculous to think someone like a doctor should get charged more for speeding then a trolly-pusher down at wall-mart. Do the crime, equally pay the fine.
I vote no. It's ridiculous to think someone like a doctor should get charged more for speeding then a trolly-pusher down at wall-mart. Do the crime, equally pay the fine.
So doctors will just speed all they want because fines are like pocket change to them. Sounds "fair" to you, but doesn't stop speeding.
yes it should depend on how much you make, because the fines effect rich people less and the point of a speeding ticket is to stop you from speeding
the system we have now hurts poor people more than rich people, it should be an equal percentage.
Should a punishment for murder depend on how much money I make? Should the punishment for theft depend on how much money I make? Why should this be any different?
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