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Should there be a constitutional right to a job?

Jryan said:
When I graduate I will be have a masters in Atmospheric Science.

I plan to work for a regulatory company.
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ok, i though you had already graduated. good luck!
 
Thunder said:
Should there be a constitutional right to a job?

as a Social-Democrat & a Liberal, the answer is very clear:

no way, no how.

there will ALWAYS be a certain percentage of the employable population that will not have work. its just part of life. the last thing we want to do is pay people for work that is not needed.

the USSR tried that and it created 3-generations of corrupt, lazy, and fraud-loving tens of millions.
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I think you are misinterpretting the question. Just because you have a right to something does not mean that you have to use that right.
 
Jryan said:
So you call me going to college for 6 years and getting out to make 80k a year mooching?
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Only if you consider yourself a "failure" in the paradigm you claimed above.
Consistency in reasoning is free!

You're a student. Come back in 10-15 years and your perspective will be based more on reality. Mine was, just saying.
It's like asking a student of atmospheric science their advice on running a world economy. It's got some drawbacks ya know?
 
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liblady said:
ok, i though you had already graduated. good luck!
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Ah thanks. Looking for advice for a degree? I already have my foot in the door with this because my dad has the same masters and has a lot of pull at the company he works at. So as long as I'm willing to move to Texas, I can get a job straight out of college.
 
To the OP, you're already free to work for a living. Most people do. Try it, you might like it!
Even someone living in a tent on government property eating out of dumpsters, is "working". Probably hard work too.
 
Jryan said:
Ah thanks. Looking for advice for a degree? I already have my foot in the door with this because my dad has the same masters and has a lot of pull at the company he works at. So as long as I'm willing to move to Texas, I can get a job straight out of college.
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She's semi-retired and drinks wine as she sails away from the worries of the rest of the world :P

Nepotism ftw!
 
Jryan said:
Oh, so you are suggesting a 50% tax on the middle class?
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I'm suggesting you think about what exactly you mean when you say things like wealth redistribution in order to be more fair.
 
Jryan said:
Ah thanks. Looking for advice for a degree? I already have my foot in the door with this because my dad has the same masters and has a lot of pull at the company he works at. So as long as I'm willing to move to Texas, I can get a job straight out of college.
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Wow. This sounds a LOT like wealthier families keeping the wealth to themselves, in this case, via protecting the source of income from competition. Is it fair that your fellow classmates are not going to have the same leg up that YOU are going to have, in finding a lucrative job?
 
Jryan said:
The system is set up so that only a small percentage of people can succeed, the rest are bound to fail. So yes, I think wealth distribution is fair.
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You seek equality in terms of results then, rather than equality in terms of opportunity.

I would also beg to differ that the system is set up so that only a small percentage can succeed. It's not "set up" that way, it's just natural and unavoidable.
 
radcen said:
You seek equality in terms of results then, rather than equality in terms of opportunity.

I would also beg to differ that the system is set up so that only a small percentage can succeed. It's not "set up" that way, it's just natural and unavoidable.
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Exactly. By system, think instead, nature. It is in some people's nature to succeed, no matter what, while others...not so much. And there is no changing nature. I have similar arguments with the anarcho commy libertarian types out there...
 
radcen said:
You seek equality in terms of results then, rather than equality in terms of opportunity.

I would also beg to differ that the system is set up so that only a small percentage can succeed. It's not "set up" that way, it's just natural and unavoidable.
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Correct, so we compensate by taxing them.
 
Jryan said:
Correct, so we compensate by taxing them.
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Whoa, I thought taxes were to pay for the functions of gov't. Not to punish the rich. So is this proof that taxes are a punishment for the wealthy? So you think people will continue to want to succeed if the tax system is as you say it is, punishment? Why would I bother to try if I do and succeed I will be punished with taxes taken from me and given to those who didn't try. So tell me, where is the incentive to try in this system?
 
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dontworrybehappy said:
Whoa, I thought taxes were to pay for the functions of gov't. Not to punish the rich. So is this proof that taxes are a punishment for the wealthy? So you think people will continue to want to succeed if the tax system is as you say it is, punishment? Why would I bother to try if I do and succeed I will be punished with taxes taken from me and given to those who didn't try. So tell me, where is the incentive to try in this system?
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No, that is just part of the theory behind progressive taxation.

Why would I bother to try if I do and succeed I will be punished with taxes taken from me and given to those who didn't try
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Being taxed at 50% when you make a million a year is still 500k a year. You wouldn't want to make 500k a year?
 
Jryan said:
Ah thanks. Looking for advice for a degree? I already have my foot in the door with this because my dad has the same masters and has a lot of pull at the company he works at. So as long as I'm willing to move to Texas, I can get a job straight out of college.
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Talk about nepotism and corruption.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Talk about nepotism and corruption.
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He doesn't even realize that while he touts about "unfairness" he has an unfair advantage. In fact, I think they should pass a law that says you cannot be employed by your parents company or by any company owned or operated by family.

Now let him stick that in his pipe and smoke it.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
He doesn't even realize that while he touts about "unfairness" he has an unfair advantage. In fact, I think they should pass a law that says you cannot be employed by your parents company or by any company owned or operated by family.

Now let him stick that in his pipe and smoke it.
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His business is actually hiring, would you like a job? See ya in six years.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Why is it that we have the right to say hateful things about gays and minorities but don't have the right to a freaking job? It's just another example of how myopic and undiverse the group of grey-haired white men who wrote our constitution were. If we really had a government of the people by the people and for the people then we'd start forcing companies under law to hire people.
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No there's no such thing as a "right" to a job. We have a right to pursue employment, we're all equal in that regard. No one can stop you from applying for jobs. If you're a worthless sack of crap no one will hand you a job. You have to work hard to make yourself marketable to maximize your opportunities.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Why is it that we have the right to say hateful things about gays and minorities but don't have the right to a freaking job? It's just another example of how myopic and undiverse the group of grey-haired white men who wrote our constitution were. If we really had a government of the people by the people and for the people then we'd start forcing companies under law to hire people.
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My son, who is age 18, cannot speak, write, or follow simple directions. Should some employer be FORCED to hire him and provide him a "living wage" and health benefits, just because he is breathing?
 
Sensibility said:
My son, who is age 18, cannot speak, write, or follow simple directions. Should some employer be FORCED to hire him and provide him a "living wage" and health benefits, just because he is breathing?
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sadly, no. but he should get gov. assistance if you are unable to provide for his needs.
 
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