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Should the US Contract Bounty Hunters & Assassins to Hunt Down Terrorists?

Why do you think we don't?

Mornin' Maggie.
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To politically correct.....To worried about worrying what the rest of the world will think. That those in our government don't have the fortitude to do what needs to be done.

We talk about justice and being a nation of laws. So I don't think we are sanctioning any of those who privately want to take the War on Terror. Right to the Terrorists front, side and backdoors. We aren't doing anything to make them fear nor tremble.

When the US talks in front of the camera nowadays.....emphasis on nowadays. We talk like an old feeble woman. Worried about our perception. While they outright threaten to kill our people. Or talk about bringing us down. Burning our Flag etc etc. All right in front of the camera.

Moreover the Bounty Hunters.....would more than likely have to be approved by the UN using some made up global law they think they are privy to.

I am for anyone or any organizations that want to go after these guys. Whether they want to hunt them to extinction Or capture them for some Justice.

Seriously Maggie if I was like 20 years younger.....I wouldn't be here talking about it. You would be reading about it in the news. Unless the media didn't want people to know their fate.
 
I say no and we open the for other countries to do the same thing to our elected officials and people who might be considered criminals to those countries.

If we ever become a third world pariah that isn't capable of exercising sovereignty within our own borders, and as a result cannot apprehend the murderous enemies of another nation that we are supposedly allied with (and receive billions in aid from), then we'd be open to having drone strikes within our own borders - which I'd completely support until we are able to take care of it ourselves.
 
If we ever become a third world pariah that isn't capable of exercising sovereignty within our own borders, and as a result cannot apprehend the murderous enemies of another nation that we are supposedly allied with (and receive billions in aid from), then we'd be open to having drone strikes within our own borders - which I'd completely support until we are able to take care of it ourselves.

Most of our elected officials are globalist scum.Globalists scum in general could care less about sovereignty. So I do not think they would wait until our country becomes a 3rd world pariah before allowing other countries to use drones within our borders. Heck they would probably do it as some sort of exchange program and then blame a hacker when a innocent family is killed.
 
Most of our elected officials are globalist scum.Globalists scum in general could care less about sovereignty. So I do not think they would wait until our country becomes a 3rd world pariah before allowing other countries to use drones within our borders. Heck they would probably do it as some sort of exchange program and then blame a hacker when a innocent family is killed.

Well I was more or less looking at way to bring fear to those of the AQ brand and their likes. Something that makes them tremble everyday when they open their eyes to begin that day. As our Pols and their feeble words don't do a damn thing. As well as our Military people having their hands tied by International Law. As you say a Sovereignty issue.

Which would then mean going under the table. Why not use Criminal Organizations to bring some Pain to those that can never be negotiated with?

Drones aren't doing it.
 
This is different JR.....these aren't leaders of Countries or States. These are terrorists put on a list for all to capture as is. Since there is only help in this endeavor from certain countries and others not participating. Why not.....this shouldn't open up anything like you suggest. Other than AQ or others like them already target our Elected and Appointed officials.

The reason JR is correct is that it would be very unregulated and like the drone attacks, we would start hearing about people being killed who weren't terrorists. And these BH definitely couldn't operate in countries who haven't authorised it.

Twice during testimony this week before congressional committees on the Obama administration’s request for an Authorization for the Use of Military Force resolution backing US aggression against Syria, Secretary of State John Kerry brushed aside questions about the predominant role played by Al Qaeda and its affiliates in the US-instigated civil war in Syria, insisting that the “opposition has increasingly become more defined by its moderation.”

For the second time in a decade, US imperialism is preparing to launch a war based on lies about weapons of mass destruction and Al Qaeda. In 2003, Washington invaded Iraq to topple the regime of Saddam Hussein based on the claim that it possessed weapons of mass destruction and was prepared to turn them over to Al Qaeda. No such weapons existed and the Iraqi regime was an enemy of Al Qaeda.


The US-Al Qaeda Alliance in Syria and the Fraud of the War on Terror | Global Research
 
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Well I was more or less looking at way to bring fear to those of the AQ brand and their likes. Something that makes them tremble everyday when they open their eyes to begin that day. As our Pols and their feeble words don't do a damn thing. As well as our Military people having their hands tied by International Law. As you say a Sovereignty issue.

Which would then mean going under the table. Why not use Criminal Organizations to bring some Pain to those that can never be negotiated with?

Drones aren't doing it.

How can you bring fear to a group that's an enemy one day, and an asset used against another foe the next?
 
Most of our elected officials are globalist scum.Globalists scum in general could care less about sovereignty. So I do not think they would wait until our country becomes a 3rd world pariah before allowing other countries to use drones within our borders. Heck they would probably do it as some sort of exchange program and then blame a hacker when a innocent family is killed.

Completely impossible. Unlike the countries we drone, we can actually take care of international criminals and terrorists within our own borders - why else would we have to go abroad to do it? In no universe would we either need or want a country to drone us, nor would we let them do so. Could you imagine what a scandal that would be?
 
How can you bring fear to a group that's an enemy one day, and an asset used against another foe the next?

The same way we do with Criminal Organizations. What causes them to panic?

Course.....I wouldn't hesitate to go after their families and friends. All that is connected to them. Clear signs of whats coming their way.....and there is no rock they can hide under.
 
Al-Qaeda 'underpants' bomber was working for CIA
The al-Qaeda operative tasked with carrying a high-tech new "underpants" bomb onto a US-bound jet was in fact an agent working for the CIA and Arab intelligence agencies, it emerged last night.


https://www.google.com/search?q=cia+working+with+al+qaeda&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

If he was a plant by us.....then he never was AQ in the first place and therefore was never working for AQ. The real reason wasn't the underpants.....it was the surgical implantation of devices in the human body. Which one can see why that had to be jumped on.

Which is just another reason for us to use whatever means necessary to go after them and their Likes.
 
That's news from almost two years ago, and the bomber was actually a double agent.

Well sure it is, but I'm not posting in the breaking news section :) AAR there's a plethora of evidence the CIA uses al Qaida.
 
If he was a plant by us.....then he never was AQ in the first place and therefore was never working for AQ. The real reason wasn't the underpants.....it was the surgical implantation of devices in the human body. Which one can see why that had to be jumped on.

Which is just another reason for us to use whatever means necessary to go after them and their Likes.

Except it can't be both of these.

While the revelation that the bomber was controlled by the US and Saudi Arabia means there was no immediate danger to western aircraft, the advanced technology used in his device caused alarm among intelligence agencies.


Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, said the latest plot indicated that terrorists "keep trying to devise more and more perverse and terrible ways to kill innocent people".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...da-underpants-bomber-was-working-for-CIA.html
 
Well sure it is, but I'm not posting in the breaking news section :)
You claimed that it "just came out last night." Unless you copypasted that from another source, I'm not sure what that statement serves to accomplish.

AAR there's a plethora of evidence the CIA uses al Qaida.

Monte, I'm all for getting rid of the CIA, but there's no point in making such blatantly false allegations. All that we have is that the CIA may have helped people who later became al-Qaeda in the Afghan war against the Soviets - and I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that the CIA knowingly assisted Arab mujahideen. The underwear bomber is a bad example because he was pretending to be spying on al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula for us but was actually working for it.
 
Except it can't be both of these.

While the revelation that the bomber was controlled by the US and Saudi Arabia means there was no immediate danger to western aircraft, the advanced technology used in his device caused alarm among intelligence agencies.


Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, said the latest plot indicated that terrorists "keep trying to devise more and more perverse and terrible ways to kill innocent people".

Al-Qaeda 'underpants' bomber was working for CIA - Telegraph


Yes it can.....and your source explains why.



There are fears that the bomb-maker, Ibrahim Hassan al-Asiri, has built other devices, including ones that can be surgically implanted, and may have passed on his skills to others.

John Brennan, the White House counter-terrorism adviser, told ABC News that he could not rule out that other bombers are still at large.

Flights to the US from Britain have also been carrying scores of extra air marshals amid fears of co-ordinated attacks on aircraft using the same bombs.

American counter-terrorism officials sent the gun-carrying undercover officers to Europe last week as they insisted on the extra cover.

Every flight from Gatwick was carrying armed officers, according to one report.

The Department for Transport refused to comment last night. Around 1,000 US air marshals operate in teams of two or three and undergo intense firearms training to allow them to open fire on a crowded aircraft.

The Saudis have previously cracked a plot by al-Asiri to blow up airliners, including one travelling through Leicestershire, using devices disguised as desk-top printers.

Al-Asiri is one of the most wanted terrorist leaders in the world. The son of a former officer in the Saudi armed forces, he has been described by US intelligence officials as the most "ruthless and fanatical of all al-Qaeda's followers".

He recruited his brother, Abdullah, to join al-Qaeda, and in one of his most chilling attacks, sent him back to Saudi Arabia for a meeting with Muhammad bin Nayef, the security minister.

Abdullah blew himself up using a prototype underpants bomb, but left the minister with only minor injuries.....snip~


Clinton was informed Rightly so.
 
You claimed that it "just came out last night." Unless you copypasted that from another source, I'm not sure what that statement serves to accomplish.



Monte, I'm all for getting rid of the CIA, but there's no point in making such blatantly false allegations. All that we have is that the CIA may have helped people who later became al-Qaeda in the Afghan war against the Soviets - and I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that the CIA knowingly assisted Arab mujahideen. The underwear bomber is a bad example because he was pretending to be spying on al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula for us but was actually working for it.




Sorry I miss your point. The story is a couple of years old, so the report I linked was as well, so certainly when it said last night, it didn't mean Jan. 18, 2014.

Ok, it may be contraversial, but its not blatantly false.

Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary in the UK from 1997–2001, believed the CIA had provided arms to the Arab Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan." His source for this is unclear.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA–al-Qaeda_controversy
 
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You claimed that it "just came out last night." Unless you copypasted that from another source, I'm not sure what that statement serves to accomplish.



Monte, I'm all for getting rid of the CIA, but there's no point in making such blatantly false allegations. All that we have is that the CIA may have helped people who later became al-Qaeda in the Afghan war against the Soviets - and I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that the CIA knowingly assisted Arab mujahideen. The underwear bomber is a bad example because he was pretending to be spying on al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula for us but was actually working for it.

Sorry Mad. I just noticed my link was bad. It's from the same link in Post 38
 
Sorry I miss your point. The story is a couple of years old, so the report I linked was as well, so certainly when it said last night, it didn't mean Jan. 18, 2014.

Ok, it may be contraversial, but its not blatantly false.

Robin Cook, Foreign Secretary in the UK from 1997–2001, believed the CIA had provided arms to the Arab Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan." His source for this is unclear.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA–al-Qaeda_controversy


With even more controversy since AQ was not even a thought in their minds.....until the Z Man enters the picture.
 
More like an A Team.....and not one from the TV movies.

If governments aren't willing to solve the problem. Then they need to give the problem to those that have the solution.

United States of America
Practice Relating to Rule 108. Mercenaries
Section A. Definition of mercenaries
III. Military Manuals
The US Air Force Commander’s Handbook (1980) states:

Until recently, there was no generally accepted definition of a “mercenary,” but the term was usually applied to foreigners who took part in an armed conflict on one side or the other, primarily for high pay or hope of booty … The definition of “mercenary” in [the 1977 Additional Protocol I] is so narrow that few persons would fit within it. The United States has signed this Protocol but has not yet ratified it.
United States, Air Force Pamphlet 110-34, Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Armed Conflict, Judge Advocate General, US Department of the Air Force, 25 July 1980, § 5-3.



VI. Other National Practice
In 1987, the Deputy Legal Adviser of the US Department of State affirmed:

We do not favor the provisions of article 47 on mercenaries, which among other things introduce political factors that do not belong in international humanitarian law, and do not consider the provisions of article 47 to be part of current customary law.
United States, Remarks of Michael J. Matheson, Deputy Legal Adviser, US Department of State, The Sixth Annual American Red Cross-Washington College of Law Conference on International Humanitarian Law: A Workshop on Customary International Law and the 1977 Protocols Additional to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, American University Journal of International Law and Policy, Vol. 2, 1987, pp. 426–427.



Section B. Status of mercenaries
III. Military Manuals
The US Air Force Commander’s Handbook (1980) states:

In recent years, many countries have claimed that “mercenaries” are unlawful combatants and subject to punishment upon capture …

a. The United States has long recognized that neutral nationals taking part in an armed conflict can encourage the escalation of that conflict, and US statutes place certain limits on the recruitment of mercenaries in this country. We have also, however, regarded mercenaries as lawful combatants entitled to PW status upon capture. The US government has always protested vigorously against any attempt by other nations to punish American citizens as mercenaries.

b. [The 1977 Additional Protocol I] provides that mercenaries do not have the right to be combatants or prisoners of war, but the definition of “mercenary” in this Protocol is so narrow that few persons would fit within it.
United States, Air Force Pamphlet 110-34, Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Armed Conflict, Judge Advocate General, US Department of the Air Force, 25 July 1980, § 5-3.



VI. Other National Practice
In 1980, in a memorandum concerning the international legal rights of captured mercenaries, the US Department of State stated:

The act of being a mercenary is not a crime under international law. An individual who is accused of being a mercenary and who is captured during an armed conflict is entitled to the basic humanitarian protections of the international law applicable in armed conflict, including those specified in the Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. The specific rights which such an individual would be entitled to vary depending on whether the conflict is an international conflict or an internal one and, in the case of international armed conflicts, on whether the person is entitled to prisoner-of-war status … The protections of [common] article 3 [of the 1949 Geneva Conventions] would also apply to any captured individual accused of being a mercenary during a civil war. [Common Article 3] does not provide any immunity from prosecution to individuals for engaging in combatant acts. The provisions of the Geneva Conventions dealing with prisoners of war do not apply in civil wars, and combatants captured during civil wars are not prisoners of war within the meaning of international law.
United States, International Legal Rights of Captured Mercenaries, Memorandum prepared by the Attorney-Adviser in the Office of the Assistant Legal Adviser for African Affairs, US Department of State, 17 October 1980, reprinted in Marian Nash (Leich), Cumulative Digest of United States Practice in International Law, 1981-1988, Department of State Publication 10120, Washington, D.C., 1993–1995, pp. 3457 and 3463–3464.



In 1987, the Deputy Legal Adviser of the US Department of State affirmed:

We do not favor the provisions of article 47 on mercenaries, which among other things introduce political factors that do not belong in international humanitarian law, and do not consider the provisions of article 47 to be part of current customary law.
United States, Remarks of Michael J. Matheson, Deputy Legal Adviser, US Department of State, The Sixth Annual American Red Cross-Washington College of Law Conference on International Humanitarian Law: A Workshop on Customary International Law and the 1977 Protocols Additional to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, American University Journal of International Law and Policy, Vol. 2, 1987, pp. 426–427.



In 1987, the Legal Adviser of the US Department of State stated:

For a third example [of why the Joint Chiefs of Staff judged the 1977 Additional Protocol I too ambiguous and complicated to use as a practical guide for military operations], article 47 of Protocol I provides that “a mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war.” This article was included in the Protocol not for humanitarian reasons, but purely to make the political point that mercenary activity in the Third World is unwelcome. In doing so, this article disregards one of the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law by defining the right to combatant status, at least in part, on the basis of the personal or political motivations of the individual in question. This politicizing of the rules of warfare is contrary to Western interests and the interests of humanitarian law itself.
United States, Remarks of Judge Abraham D. Sofaer, Legal Adviser, US Department of State, The Sixth Annual American Red Cross-Washington College of Law Conference on International Humanitarian Law: A Workshop on Customary International Law and the 1977 Protocols Additional to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, American University Journal of International Law and Policy, Vol. 2, 1987, p. 469.


Customary IHL - Practice Relating to Rule 108. Mercenaries
 
Yeah, I do notice that says something to the effect over Political Matters.
 
More like an A Team.....and not one from the TV movies.

If governments aren't willing to solve the problem. Then they need to give the problem to those that have the solution.

Will innocent people be killed and hurt, carelessly, because bounty hunter needs to finish the job and move on to the next, money ya know.
 
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