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No. Europe should be feeling really confident after watching Russia struggle to sack a shithole.
They don't need us and we don't need them.
Donny Jr is that you?I would argue our presence in NATO is not only unnecessary but detrimental to the organization. NATO should be a European alliance put together to protect itself from outside aggressors.
The super power America should not be automatically drug into these regional conflicts by legal obligations imposed on it by NATO membership. We should independently decide if anything happening in Europe warrants our getting involved.
I would also argue that NATO would be more prone to act if we were not part of it. Right now with Ukraine America can't get militarily involved without risk of triggering an all out nuclear war. These local European countries could send troops to Ukraine and turn the tide in conventional warfare without the same risk. America in NATO is just a Goliath that gets in the way. Our membership has effectively neutered NATO in situations like this.
Even if Vlad was observing some rule that you only get to use nukes on other nuclear nations, there are nuclear powers in NATO other than the United States.I would argue our presence in NATO is not only unnecessary but detrimental to the organization. NATO should be a European alliance put together to protect itself from outside aggressors.
The super power America should not be automatically drug into these regional conflicts by legal obligations imposed on it by NATO membership. We should independently decide if anything happening in Europe warrants our getting involved.
I would also argue that NATO would be more prone to act if we were not part of it. Right now with Ukraine America can't get militarily involved without risk of triggering an all out nuclear war. These local European countries could send troops to Ukraine and turn the tide in conventional warfare without the same risk. America in NATO is just a Goliath that gets in the way. Our membership has effectively neutered NATO in situations like this.
We need NATO to get health care?Indeed. We don’t need them. All the soldiers who lives were saved because they could be rushed to the hospitals in Germany should have just died.
Using nukes on your next door neighbor is more problematic than using them on a country on the other side of the planet.Even if Vlad was observing some rule that you only get to use nukes on other nuclear nations, there are nuclear powers in NATO other than the United States.
Yea stick with your argument it is going awesome.Using nukes on your next door neighbor is more problematic than using them on a country on the other side of the planet.
Then it sounds like being in a defensive alliance with Russia's next door neighbors offers some pretty important strategic protections for the United States.Using nukes on your next door neighbor is more problematic than using them on a country on the other side of the planet.
We need NATO to get health care?
So.... when French and British forces joined with American forces to strike Syrian chemical weapons facilities in 2018 (under Trump), did you think that was wrong? That the U.S. should have gone alone being the world's policeman rather than an united NATO effort?I would argue our presence in NATO is not only unnecessary but detrimental to the organization. NATO should be a European alliance put together to protect itself from outside aggressors.
The super power America should not be automatically drug into these regional conflicts by legal obligations imposed on it by NATO membership. We should independently decide if anything happening in Europe warrants our getting involved.
I would also argue that NATO would be more prone to act if we were not part of it. Right now with Ukraine America can't get militarily involved without risk of triggering an all out nuclear war. These local European countries could send troops to Ukraine and turn the tide in conventional warfare without the same risk. America in NATO is just a Goliath that gets in the way. Our membership has effectively neutered NATO in situations like this.
wow that is just one monumentally stupid postUsing nukes on your next door neighbor is more problematic than using them on a country on the other side of the planet.
Of course the US should be part of NATO.I would argue our presence in NATO is not only unnecessary but detrimental to the organization. NATO should be a European alliance put together to protect itself from outside aggressors.
The super power America should not be automatically drug into these regional conflicts by legal obligations imposed on it by NATO membership. We should independently decide if anything happening in Europe warrants our getting involved.
I would also argue that NATO would be more prone to act if we were not part of it. Right now with Ukraine America can't get militarily involved without risk of triggering an all out nuclear war. These local European countries could send troops to Ukraine and turn the tide in conventional warfare without the same risk. America in NATO is just a Goliath that gets in the way. Our membership has effectively neutered NATO in situations like this.
We build more and land a Chinook on themYou realize we only have two hospital ships, right? And that you can’t land a C-17 full of wounded troops on one?
I think Beau gets it right. I'm agreeing with his cooler head, and knowledge of history.I would argue our presence in NATO is not only unnecessary but detrimental to the organization. NATO should be a European alliance put together to protect itself from outside aggressors.
The super power America should not be automatically drug into these regional conflicts by legal obligations imposed on it by NATO membership. We should independently decide if anything happening in Europe warrants our getting involved.
I would also argue that NATO would be more prone to act if we were not part of it. Right now with Ukraine America can't get militarily involved without risk of triggering an all out nuclear war. These local European countries could send troops to Ukraine and turn the tide in conventional warfare without the same risk. America in NATO is just a Goliath that gets in the way. Our membership has effectively neutered NATO in situations like this.
Token forcesNATO troops served in our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So classically American to think we won't want to use them anymore now that they need to us.
No. They actually fought and suffered casualties.Token forces
Russia is barely prevailing in Ukraine. NATO military from European nations would turn the tide. No need for the US superpower to get involved and ratchet things up. European history is pretty much constant war and we shouldn’t be legally obligated and get sucked into them. It should be our decision if our interest are threatened by their constant bickering.The US is the backbone of NATO. Without us, NATO lacks any real teeth.
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