Should the minimum wage be lower for workers who get tipped?

[ColdHardTruth]

Tipped workers by law here work at wages below minimum.

Yes, red state governments tend to be criminal in nature.

 

[RF667799]

Yes, red state governments tend to be criminal in nature.

Explain Illinois.

 

[mrjurrs]

My answer is 'Not only NO! but HELL NO!!

The practice of tipping came into being because wait staff, food service, and farm labor were being exploited. We need to move toward a society where tipping is not acceptable. If there is going to be a minimum wage, then it applies to everyone. If it doesn't apply to everyone, then just eliminate minimum wage, and stop pretending to give a damn for laborers. The latter idea will bite politicians in the ass come election time!

No f'ing way.

But the tip getters should be better at tipping down. How much of a tip do you get if there's lipstick on a glass or an undelivered bread basket.

 

[mrjurrs]

No.

The point is to provide a stable, bare minimum to get by on. Tipping is at the mercy of those doing the tipping.

Now, some might say that if there is a minimum wage, then those workers won't hustle for tips...but the key word here is minimum, so tips are still desired and will be hustled for.

And I suspect anyone who disagrees with that probably has never worked as a waiter, waitress, bartender, etc. Could be wrong, but I doubt they ever said no to a tip if they did.

Nope, a minimum wage is a nonliving wage created to protect profits.

 

[RF667799]

No f'ing way.

But the tip getters should be better at tipping down. How much of a tip do you get if there's lipstick on a glass or an undelivered bread basket.

Tipping is necessary to ensure people remain properly subservient, eh?

Let's start employing teachers on that basis. Little Johnny is 15 years old and can't read? His teachers don't get half the wages they were counting on that year.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Explain Illinois.

Mafia interference and really bad judgement.

 

[RF667799]

Mafia interference and really bad judgement.

So a criminally inclined, stupid blue state.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

So a criminally inclined, stupid blue state.

That state is not criminally inclined, but some of its citizens are.

I would agree the GQP supporters in that state are likely criminals.

 

[RF667799]

That state is not criminally inclined, but some of its citizens are.

I would agree the GQP supporters in that state are likely criminals.

Illinois has a minimum wage for tipped workers that is less than its minimum wage otherwise.

In the case of red states, you said this indicates the governments are criminal.

But then your story changes when given the example of a blue state.

The only explanation for the stupidity of your previous post is it was partisan trolling.

 

[bomberfox]

Tipping should be completely eliminated in favor of paying an actual living wage.

Or profit sharing.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Well let's look at what you cited in post #1 and see what eliminating tipping would do?
Here is the quote from your cited article,

So if the AZ minimum wage is $14.35 per hour, but the tipped workers only make $11.35 per hour, a person at the
Full minimum wage working 20 hours a week would gross $287. with the tipped person would make $227 plus tips.
Wait staff at a place like Olive Garden, can expect to make $15 per hour in tips, increasing their 20 hour week to a gross of
$527. By eliminating tipping and giving them the higher pay, you would be taking $240 per week out of their pockets!

A server in a popular upscale restaurant can expect to earn between 100 and 300 dollars a night in tips.

 

[Beruit 1978]

Or profit sharing.

Profit sharing, huh? I've been party to profit sharing a couple of times. Low-rent small time corporation, such as you're likely to find in the food industry. The profit sharing "agreement" is written by the employer's lawyers, of course. The company has to reach certain thresholds of profit for the sharing to kick in. At which point, your share is based on your own, personal, gross earning. Your earnings for the year are maybe $25,000 you might get $100 to $200. Mehhh, OK, I guess, it's something extra at Christmas time. But, the formula pretty much eliminates all part time personnel. Also eliminates anyone hired after Feb first, or March first, depending on the "agreement". I don't expect to see much profit sharing in the food service industry. A few cherished employees might see a small Christmas bonus.

 

[longview]

A server in a popular upscale restaurant can expect to earn between 100 and 300 dollars a night in tips.

And would not like trading that $100 to $300 dollars per night for an extra $3 per hour in wages.
For 6 hour shift they would make an extra $18, instead of the much higher tip amount.
I am thinking back to waiting tables at a Pizza Inn in the 1970's making $20 to $25 a night in tips,
over 40 years ago.

 

[roguenuke]

And would not like trading that $100 to $300 dollars per night for an extra $3 per hour in wages.
For 6 hour shift they would make an extra $18, instead of the much higher tip amount.
I am thinking back to waiting tables at a Pizza Inn in the 1970's making $20 to $25 a night in tips,
over 40 years ago.

Many "popular upscale restaurants" already pay their employees better than minimum wage (what it should be). They don't rely on tips to pay them but they can still get tips. There are some exceptions, of course.

 

[Goshin]

Dunno. Maybe we should poll all the people who are in that position and see what they think.

One of my nieces used to make good money waitressing. Of course 1. She was very cute and 2. once she got a little experience she only worked the high-end places where people with money go.

 

[longview]

Many "popular upscale restaurants" already pay their employees better than minimum wage (what it should be). They don't rely on tips to pay them but they can still get tips. There are some exceptions, of course.

I am not sure that is true, but do not know.

 

[Rexedgar]

European wait staff cannot believe that Americans have been conditioned to tip the amounts that they do. 10% there is welcomed. They get good wages and people can still afford to eat out. Things have gotten so out of control here that average service is thought to be great service.

 

[Real blank]

European wait staff cannot believe that Americans have been conditioned to tip the amounts that they do. 10% there is welcomed. They get good wages and people can still afford to eat out. Things have gotten so out of control here that average service is thought to be great service.