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Should the man have any say in whether a woman aborts or not?

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sangha said:
So what? He should be happy to provide for his child.
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Is he wrong though... that is what I want to know. And when did he say that he wasn't happy to provide? You missed the mark completely... but then again, I am sure that I am again somehow wrong. How so this time?
 
sangha said:
So what? He should be happy to provide for his child.
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Who the **** said he wasn't I was merely proving your claim that men pay under priced child support false.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That is the simple thing that you can't grasp. ALL OF IT IS BASED OFF OF SALARY. The more salary, the higher the payments. If I didn't have an income, I would be paying nothing. It is all based off of salary. Why you would even bother to debate this is beyond me...
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So now you're back to "it's based on salary" again

...not to mention that I have equal custody and I pay over $1,000 a month and she pays nothing back... oh, I could get her for a hundred or so, but why? I don't want to take money that could be used for my kids.
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So what? $250/week is pocket change in comparison to the joy of raising a child. You got a bargain.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Is he wrong though... that is what I want to know. And when did he say that he wasn't happy to provide? You missed the mark completely... but then again, I am sure that I am again somehow wrong. How so this time?
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Wrong about what?
 
sangha said:
Yeah, there is a difference. The support paid is supposed to cover half the costs of supporting a child, but it usually covers less.
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This is what you said and to use your logic, if he/she doesn't like the amount they get for child support he/she can go to court over it.
 
DashingAmerican said:
This is what you said and to use your logic, if he/she doesn't like the amount they get for child support he/she can go to court over it.
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What I said is accurate, and your father can go to court and try to have the support reduced if he wants to try. No one is stopping him but himself
 
sangha said:
And who said "never"?
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Dear God, the word "never" is at the beginning of the post. My dad NEVER complains. I was just stating simple facts.


Did you like that? I put the word "never" in caps so you could find it.
 
Graffias said:
I made this point in another thread, but I will recap. Though I am not anti-abortion, I believe it is extremely unjust that a woman is allowed to make a unilateral decision as to whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. Though the woman carries the fetus in her body for nine months, it is the man's fetus every bit as much as it is hers.

Men are completely powerless after a woman becomes pregnant. If the woman doesn't want to become a mother, but the man has the ability and desire to raise the child by himself, the woman can still go ahead and have the abortion without his approval. If the man doesn't want to become a parent and the woman decides she wants to give birth and knows she won't have the means to support the child alone, she can basically force the man into fatherhood and years of child support.

Even if a man is not physically invested in the birth of a child, there is often a great emotional investment. And also there is a great financial investment that he may have to make if the child is born. So considering these facts, shouldn't what he wants matter as much as what she wants?
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Nicely said, this is a double standard that has been unfixed for a while now. Thanks for posting :)
 
sangha said:
So now you're back to "it's based on salary" again
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If what she gets is based off of how much I make (or are taxed on) then how is it not based on my salary?

So what? $250/week is pocket change in comparison to the joy of raising a child. You got a bargain.
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Your ideas about emotion are irrelevant to the issue.

Wrong about what?
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About what he said... obviously.
 
Graffias said:
I made this point in another thread, but I will recap. Though I am not anti-abortion, I believe it is extremely unjust that a woman is allowed to make a unilateral decision as to whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. Though the woman carries the fetus in her body for nine months, it is the man's fetus every bit as much as it is hers.

Men are completely powerless after a woman becomes pregnant. If the woman doesn't want to become a mother, but the man has the ability and desire to raise the child by himself, the woman can still go ahead and have the abortion without his approval. If the man doesn't want to become a parent and the woman decides she wants to give birth and knows she won't have the means to support the child alone, she can basically force the man into fatherhood and years of child support.

Even if a man is not physically invested in the birth of a child, there is often a great emotional investment. And also there is a great financial investment that he may have to make if the child is born. So considering these facts, shouldn't what he wants matter as much as what she wants?
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Oh and another point to add to your's. If people have problems with men having equal rights in these circumstances, simply disallow the mother to claim child support if he stated that he did not want the child or if he was not notified of his being a father in order to decide whether he wants to pay child support or not.
 
sangha said:
It's based on a number of factors, as the link I posted proved
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And the first and most important is salary... my color blind friend. ;)
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yeah, I understand that. It does. 18 years of Child Support.
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Yeah. And $320 a month completely covers diapers, formula, and all the other expenses of raising a child.

Anybody having babies to get child support is off their nut.
 
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