jonny5
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The last time this was asked, 60% of respondants said YES, ID should be required to vote. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/114863-photo-id-vote.html
I broke it down to a fundemental idea. Should the govt verify who is voting? If not, why not. If so, how so? What level of verification is neccesary?
-a signature?
-a voter registration card?
-a photo id?
So, given most people want secured elections, shouldnt congress just pass a law requiring the checking of photo ids? End this state by state nonsense.
The last time this was asked, 60% of respondants said YES, ID should be required to vote. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/114863-photo-id-vote.html
I broke it down to a fundemental idea. Should the govt verify who is voting? If not, why not. If so, how so? What level of verification is neccesary?
-a signature?
-a voter registration card?
-a photo id?
So, given most people want secured elections, shouldnt congress just pass a law requiring the checking of photo ids? End this state by state nonsense.
Voter fraud is NOT a real problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a significant problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a problem that requires any action.Do I need to repeat myself?
The last time this was asked, 60% of respondants said YES, ID should be required to vote. http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/114863-photo-id-vote.html
I broke it down to a fundemental idea. Should the govt verify who is voting? If not, why not. If so, how so? What level of verification is neccesary?
-a signature?
-a voter registration card?
-a photo id?
So, given most people want secured elections, shouldnt congress just pass a law requiring the checking of photo ids? End this state by state nonsense.
Voter fraud is NOT a real problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a significant problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a problem that requires any action.
Do I need to repeat myself?
sure, free ID, provided by the govt.
Voter fraud is NOT a real problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a significant problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a problem that requires any action.
Do I need to repeat myself?
Yes - and we already do. I'm unaware of any state that doesn't take some measure to register voters, require a voter card or ID, so on - so forth.
No you do not need to repeat.
I do disagree with your last statement. No action? So at what point would you consider voter fraud "real" enough to cause action?
"Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls" was a finding reported by the NYTimes during the Bush era DOJ investigation.http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all
May not be fraud, but it is a problem when people who are not eligible to vote somehow do.
No you do not need to repeat.
I do disagree with your last statement. No action? So at what point would you consider voter fraud "real" enough to cause action?
Voter fraud is NOT a real problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a significant problem.
Voter fraud is NOT a problem that requires any action.
Do I need to repeat myself?
No, but you could answer the topic.
Fraudulent votes can and could have changed the outcome in many elections.
Pretty sure I did.
There is no real problem ERGO.... no need to make new laws.
Funny how the conservative support big government bureaucracy when it's convenient.
I didnt ask about new laws. Funny how liberals change the topic when it isnt convinient.
You suggested a new law that would be almost identical to the real new laws (currently being thrown out by Federal Courts)...
As a libertarian, why would you enact a national law with all the cost and bureaucracy to solve an nonexistent problem?
Makes no sense.
Voter fraud is NOT a significant problem
It does exist, you said so yourself.
This implies it is a problem, but you dont think its significant. The question I asked though, was that since a majority think elections should be secure, a federal law to streamline the process makes sense. In fact, as a libertarian, this makes more sense than 50 differnt laws for a federal process and a bureacracy to manage those laws and lawsuits. One federal standard would cost less and have less bureacracy. You could probably get rid of many laws and redundant depts and save money.
But the question I asked was should the govt verify identity at all. You have yet to answer.
Government does verify.
You sign your name verifying you are who you say.
A signature on a piece of paper doesn't verify ****.
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