Should the free world put together a military force to invade Iran?

[teacher]

I think it's clear that the NRO has been very busy with Iran as have other security agencies. We've got people in Iran, we've got birds on Iran, we've got autonomated surveillance on Iran.... we know what is happening in Iran.... but it falls under the burden of priviliged classification which leaves it a matter of executive prejiduce...... which is exactly why I think Bush is a complete failure.

Dude, you're trying way to hard and not getting away with it.

 

[Archon]

Dude, you're trying way to hard and not getting away with it.

You're big on claims but small on elaboration. Did you have anything else to say or are you satisfied simply with stating that "i'm not getting away with it" but yet failing to cite any reason why?

I suppose you think you're good at debate?

Oh yes, and what better way to open your lack of rebuttal than with the word "dude". You must have went to Harvard law school.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Yeah, well at least I can spell believe. Heh. I'm human. I never said I don't make mistakes. Unlike you I will own up to my mistakes. Yeah... I misspelled a word. Do you want a cookie?

(p.s. I also misspelled priveleged and privy.... but you didn't catch that did ya?)

You just proved the point I was trying to make. Thank you.

You're big on claims but small on elaboration. Did you have anything else to say or are you satisfied simply with stating that "i'm not getting away with it" but yet failing to cite any reason why?

I suppose you think you're good at debate?

Oh yes, and what better way to open your lack of rebuttal than with the word "dude". You must have went to Harvard law school.

A matter of fact teacher is one of the best debators on this forum, but you wouldnt know anything about that because you cant even hold your own in a discussion about ants.

Also if you look under the "best debators on this forum" thread. You will see his name many times mentioned along with mine and gunnys along the best debators on this forum. IMO teacher is one of the greatest debators that debatepolitics has ever seen. He will enlighten you and your incessant ideals.

 

[teacher]

You just proved the point I was trying to make. Thank you.



A matter of fact teacher is one of the best debators on this forum, but you wouldnt know anything about that because you cant even hold your own in a discussion about ants.

Also if you look under the "best debators on this forum" thread. You will see his name many times mentioned along with mine and gunnys along the best debators on this forum. IMO teacher is one of the greatest debators that debatepolitics has ever seen. He will enlighten you and your incessant ideals.

Why thank you Skil. In thanks I've a present for you. Enjoy.

Now to the work at hand...

 

[SKILMATIC]

Why thank you Skil. In thanks I've a present for you. Enjoy.

Now to the work at hand...

Thats an interesting pic. How did you do that? :lol: Well I wonder where our little wonder boy went? Archon is truly a work of art himself. :rofl

 

[teacher]

You're big on claims but small on elaboration. Did you have anything else to say or are you satisfied simply with stating that "i'm not getting away with it" but yet failing to cite any reason why?

I suppose you think you're good at debate?

Oh yes, and what better way to open your lack of rebuttal than with the word "dude". You must have went to Harvard law school.

Dude...

You had to go there.

Class in session...

I'd be scared to see you behind the console of a tanked up C-130. You might inadvertantly crash

As opposed to crashing on purpose?

into the white house with your exquisite knowlede of positive/negative gravitational pull

Negative gravitational pull? Gravity pushes now does it?

and such a redundant naivity to spacial orientation. :mrgreen:

So you're saying Skil has backups to his ignorance to his knowing where he's at? Is this in case he accidentaly gets it right a redundent system will take over and steer him wrong?

Dear god in your own mind you must think your qualled to fly a fixed wing or astra.

Dear god dude, in your own mind does what you type make sence?

Dear child I am not hear to educate you.

Or anyone else for that matter. Though I think ability and not will has more to do with it than anything.

You think quaternions are linear.

Dude, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

You think that there is anything linear in covert/black operations?

Cause and effect. Action and reaction. Seems pretty linear to me.

Dear boy you really need to stop spouting so much and invest your time in something much more productive.

Oh my god, he dropped the "dear boy" bomb. What's next? Indubutably? Maybe in a fortnight or so.

It's funy all the while I'm defending myself against your naive attacks I'm offering you tidbits to further your nimble understanding. Take it as you will.

You feel compeled to defend yourself against NAIVE attacks?

Hey Skil, at least he thinks you're worthy of education due to your "excellent, adaptable comprehension". Or maybe he just needs a dictionary because of his "redundent naivity". But then he'd better get more than one dictionary.

Anybody that has been privvy to being an intelligence officer in the Air Force

Did you mean:
Being privvy to the knowledge of an air force officer?
Or:
Having been an air force officer?
Like I said dude, you're trying way to hard. Stick to words that you know the meaning of. You're illustrating your "redundent naivity".

could clearly discern your copy and paste tactics.

I don't think Skil was trying to use any "tactics". He mearly copy/pasted the mandate of a MOS. Nice you could "discern" that though. Must come from being privvy...

I don't think my limited clearance to the foremost Groomlake, Los Alamos, Dulce, and Edwards have anything to do with it.

Limited? So I take it you are limited to "Classified" or "Secret" material. Doesn't surprise me.

Nice try though. Why don't you go copy and paste some more?

Like I do with your retarded prose?

Algorithmically, your post doesn't add up?

Algorithmically AND add up? Being a little redundant aren't we?

WHY? Because it is non-linear.

There he goes again.

Usually you have a typo within ever 9 to 15 words. Stupid typos too. Some of them are even a result of your fallible vocabulary.

Look whos talking.

All the sudden you post this elongated quip claiming all of these virtues that only a distinguished AF mechanic would be compatent to perform (and even in that sense it gives you no credence in terms of maneuverability of such craft). You may be fooling somebody, child, but you are not fooling me.

We weren't talking about the maneuverablity of aircraft. Though with thrust vectoring the F-22 is now the most agile of aircraft. We were discussing stealth aircraft and the ability of such aircraft to do a mission in Iran undectected. For instance, the radar signature of a F-117 is the same of a bumble bee. The B-2 a softball. No word yet on the F-22. Don't quote me on that, it's just what I have been able to "discern" having been "privvy" to being me, teacher, of the colossul brain.

Archon, dude, you try so hard to make yourself appear smart through the use of words that you lose sight of the debate. All while missusing said words. You seem to make no points. You are simply a contrarian of dubious intelligence.

Your homework: Get a Barny coloring book and try to stay in the lines.

Do us all a favor here and leave the intelligence up to the intelligent.

Classic.

Class dismissed.

 

[MSgt]

What's next? Indubutably? Maybe in a fortnight or so.

BWAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA......time to breath....BWBABABAABAAAWAAAAAAAAAAA!

 

[OdgenTugbyGlub]

Class dismissed.

I can't wait for the next lesson :lol: .

 

[robin]

This "war on terror" does not require military ground action everywhere.

Could do with some in British Mosques. Got any bombs to spare :lol:

 

[MSgt]

Could do with some in British Mosques. Got any bombs to spare :lol:

We always have bombs to spare. You know that.

 

[Kelzie]

Thank you Gunny.

Tel me mr. Archon, what MOS were you in the force? A 3HOX1?

I have trained in the art of Aerospace propulsion, Aircraft maintenance, aircraft armament systems, and aeronautical engineering. IN the force that incl the followinglans, organizes, and directs aerospace propulsion maintenance activities. Interprets and implements directives and publications pertaining to maintenance functions, including environmentally safe maintenance practices. Determines resource requirements, including facilities, equipment, and supplies. Inspects and evaluates maintenance activities.

Advises, performs troubleshooting, and determines repair procedures on aircraft engines. Diagnoses and repairs malfunctions using technical publications. Solves maintenance problems by studying drawings, wiring and schematic diagrams, technical instructions, and analyzing operating characteristics of aircraft engines and propellers. Inspects, certifies, and approves completed maintenance actions.

Removes, installs, inspects, repairs, and modifies engines, engine modules and components, and propellers and propeller components. Disassembles and assembles engines and propellers adhering to prescribed procedures. Prepares engines and propellers for installation, storage, or transportation. Tests components using bench mockups and test equipment. Installs and removes engines on test stands, and operates, evaluates, and performs test stand functions on engines. Accomplishes operator maintenance on test stands. Inspects and maintains engine ground SE. Operates and performs operator inspections on related SE. Selects, uses, and cares for special tools, hand tools, and test equipment. Uses and disposes of hazardous waste and materials.
Analyzes, interprets, and recommends maintenance actions based on unscheduled engine removals and engine monitoring system data. Coordinates with the base engine manager to analyze scheduled engine removals; recommends forecast actions to the weekly or monthly maintenance schedules. And much much more.

[mod mode]

SKIL...really. Almost 3,000 posts and you still don't know the rules? If you copy and paste from a website you have to cite it. Just in case everybody wants to read his job description from the actual source:

http://www.dcandr.ang.af.mil/recruiting/afsc/2a.htm

And next time, try to summarize it. Thanks.

[/mod mode]

 

[SKILMATIC]

BWAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA......time to breath....BWBABABAABAAAWAAAAAAAAAAA!

My turn BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHHA my turn to breathe BWHWHWHWHWHWHWHWHWHWW:lol:

 

[SKILMATIC]

Dude...

You had to go there.

Class in session...




Dear god dude, in your own mind does what you type make sence?

Or anyone else for that matter. Though I think ability and not will has more to do with it than anything.

Dude, do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Cause and effect. Action and reaction. Seems pretty linear to me.


Oh my god, he dropped the "dear boy" bomb. What's next? Indubutably? Maybe in a fortnight or so.


You feel compeled to defend yourself against NAIVE attacks?

Hey Skil, at least he thinks you're worthy of education due to your "excellent, adaptable comprehension". Or maybe he just needs a dictionary because of his "redundent naivity". But then he'd better get more than one dictionary.

Did you mean:
Being privvy to the knowledge of an air force officer?
Or:
Having been an air force officer?
Like I said dude, you're trying way to hard. Stick to words that you know the meaning of. You're illustrating your "redundent naivity".




I don't think Skil was trying to use any "tactics". He mearly copy/pasted the mandate of a MOS. Nice you could "discern" that though. Must come from being privvy...


Limited? So I take it you are limited to "Classified" or "Secret" material. Doesn't surprise me.


Like I do with your retarded prose?


Algorithmically AND add up? Being a little redundant aren't we?

There he goes again.

Look whos talking.



We weren't talking about the maneuverablity of aircraft. Though with thrust vectoring the F-22 is now the most agile of aircraft. We were discussing stealth aircraft and the ability of such aircraft to do a mission in Iran undectected. For instance, the radar signature of a F-117 is the same of a bumble bee. The B-2 a softball. No word yet on the F-22. Don't quote me on that, it's just what I have been able to "discern" having been "privvy" to being me, teacher, of the colossul brain.

Archon, dude, you try so hard to make yourself appear smart through the use of words that you lose sight of the debate. All while missusing said words. You seem to make no points. You are simply a contrarian of dubious intelligence.

Your homework: Get a Barny coloring book and try to stay in the lines.


Classic.

Class dismissed.

Well I guess I dont have to say anything further. Teacher basically did the lesson for the day.

I can't wait for the next lesson

I know me too. It was a good lesson wasn't it?

 

[SKILMATIC]

We always have bombs to spare. You know that.

Yeah we have so many we sell them to other countries.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Yeah we have so many we sell them to other countries.

Ya or give'em to them for free, Iran/Syria I'm looking at you.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Ya or give'em to them for free, Iran/Syria I'm looking at you.

Bingo! Someone turned on the light. And dam its bright :lol:

 

[SKILMATIC]

Also might I add. Since some of you have drawn an interest in these things.
"Troubleshoots and maintains aircraft structures, systems, components, and related equipment. Removes and installs aircraft components. Conducts functional tests of repaired components and systems. Adjusts, aligns, and rigs aircraft systems. Supervises and performs aircraft jacking, lifting, and towing operations.

Inspects aircraft structures, systems, components, and related systems. Supervises and performs aircraft and component inspections. Interprets inspection findings and determines adequacy of corrective actions. Inspects and checks components for clearances, tolerances, proper installation, and operation. Inspects and operates powered and nonpowered aerospace ground equipment. Inspects and identifies aircraft corrosion for prevention and repair. Reviews maintenance forms, aircraft records, automated maintenance data systems, and historical reports to ensure complete documentation. Inventories and maintains aircraft equipment.

Performs flight chief, production superintendent, expediter, crew chief, repair and reclamation, and maintenance support functions. Coordinates maintenance plans and schedules to meet operational commitments. Supervises and assists in launching and recovering aircraft. Reviews maintenance data collection summaries to determine trends and production effectiveness. Performs crash recovery duties. Performs staff and supervisory management functions.


Loads, unloads, and positions munitions on aircraft. Loads, positions, performs safing operations, and unloads munitions. Uses handling, loading, and checkout procedures and equipment. Tests suspension, launch, and release systems for retentive locking, and manual or electrical release. Analyzes malfunctions. Performs functional checks of launch and suspension systems. Prepares munitions and inspects post loading weapons. Sponsored
Operates handling and loading equipment, and mates munitions with aircraft release, launch, and suspension systems. Loads and services aircraft gun systems. Tests electrical and electronic circuitry for continuity, voltage, and proper operation. Tests for unwanted electrical signal or power before connecting electrically actuated explosives and propellants. Installs ground safety devices on munition and gun system components to prevent inadvertent detonation, launching, or firing. Inserts and removes impulse cartridges associated with fuel tanks and pylons. Adjusts and installs fuses, boosters, and delay elements in conventional munitions.

Inspects, repairs, and maintains aircraft release, launch, suspension, and monitor systems; aircraft guns; and related equipment. Operates, inspects, and performs operator maintenance on related munitions handling, loading, and test equipment. Examines for visual defects and proper installation of systems components such as munitions ejector racks, loading and suspension devices, shackles, rocket pods, pylons, aircraft ammunition, boosters, and feed chutes. Boresights and performs after-firing inspection of aircraft guns. Examines aircraft guns for defects. Analyzes malfunctions of munitions launch, release, suspension, and monitor systems, and associated handling and loading equipment. Disassembles, repairs, or replaces mechanical, electrical, electronic, and pneudraulic mechanisms of launch and release systems, and aircraft gun systems. Removes, disassembles, and inspects parts and subassemblies for damage, rust, corrosion, or acceptable clearances and tolerances. Makes adjustments and applies lubricants and preservatives. Performs serviceability tests on aircraft guns, gun systems, and munitions associated suspension equipment.

Performs armament systems maintenance functions. Modifies munitions launch, release, suspension, and monitor systems to improve efficiency. Determines probable effect of modifications on future maintenance and operational problems.

Plans, organizes, and directs aircraft armament systems maintenance activities. Establishes and evaluates performance and training standards, maintenance controls, and procedures. Checks methods and techniques used to load and unload munitions on aircraft, to repair and maintain aircraft release and gun systems, and to maintain, repair, and modify associated equipment. Ensures compliance with policies, directives, and safety procedures. Analyzes productivity and work quality. Evaluates operational efficiency of aircraft guns and munitions systems, and recommends modification." And much much more. I haven't even begin to go over qualifications, readings, and other requirements. This is straight from the MOS details itself. And I have been cleared and qualified for each MOS. I am still waiting to hear what Mr. Archons MOS was.

 

[teacher]

I am still waiting to hear what Mr. Archons MOS was.

Cow tipper.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Cow tipper.

I know. I am such a stinker aint I? :rofl

 

[Tashah]

If Israel and Iran duke it out, they will nuke each other and other countries, whether they want to get involved or not, will be forced to get involved because of the willingness of both Israel and Iran to nuke each other, which the effects of the use of those nuclear weapons will spread to other parts of the globe.

[bold emphasis added]

How do you validate this unsubstanciated allegation? Israel has never used a nuclear weapon nor has it ever threatened to do so... quite unlike the insane president of Iran.

Iran's President Threatens Israel with Annihilation

 

[MSgt]

[bold emphasis added]

How do you validate this unsubstanciated allegation? Israel has never used a nuclear weapon nor has it ever threatened to do so... quite unlike the insane president of Iran.

Iran's President Threatens Israel with Annihilation

This is what you get from people when they don't want to face the aggressor, because blaming yourself and blaming the defended is easier than creating more friction. Why antagonize when you can allow them to do as they please and you can maintain a false peace. Worked for Clinton and the American public were pleased.

 

[UtahBill]

[mod mode]

SKIL...really. Almost 3,000 posts and you still don't know the rules? If you copy and paste from a website you have to cite it. Just in case everybody wants to read his job description from the actual source:

http://www.dcandr.ang.af.mil/recruiting/afsc/2a.htm

And next time, try to summarize it. Thanks.

[/mod mode]

The MOS sounds like the functions of a low level enlisted person. Lots of words, designed to make the person feel important, but low on real substance. The Navy has those as well, and with 12 years active service, I can tell you that I was expected to write some similar crap in the form of quarterly evaluations about people who were dangerously stupid on the job. I refused to white wash for those guys, and on 2 occasions the chief rewrote my evaluations of them. He regretted it later, when they screwed up badly and I was able to show that I tried to get the word out but the chief decided to bypass me, the leading Petty Officer of the shop. Always keep a copy.

 

[MSgt]

....FITREPs

 

[UtahBill]

....FITREPs

I been gone from active duty since summer of 77, but did another 10 years in the reserves.
Next April I turn 60, and can then start drawing retirement and getting the medical benefits.
Hope I live long enough to make it all worth it. The reserve time was the worst, totally boring....

 

[Archon]

The MOS sounds like the functions of a low level enlisted person. Lots of words, designed to make the person feel important, but low on real substance. The Navy has those as well, and with 12 years active service, I can tell you that I was expected to write some similar crap in the form of quarterly evaluations about people who were dangerously stupid on the job. I refused to white wash for those guys, and on 2 occasions the chief rewrote my evaluations of them. He regretted it later, when they screwed up badly and I was able to show that I tried to get the word out but the chief decided to bypass me, the leading Petty Officer of the shop. Always keep a copy.

Exactly.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Let the intelligent deal with the intelligence.