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Should the Epstein files be released?

Should Trump release the Epstein files?

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Yes, but the conclusion the public would draw would be the wrong one.

Trump is probably implicated, so the liberals rejoice.

Republicans do damage control, probably try to lower the age of consent retroactively or something to save Trump.

But ultimately no one discusses the broader, more important issue which is that we evidently have a third column of foreign intelligence and blackmail infesting our government, implicating influential people in horrible crimes, and using that leverage for their own purposes.
 
I have mixed feelings about this.

My primary concern is that if the files are released, they almost certainly contain material that is not particularly strong, and an unstable person is going to go all Pizzagate and attack someone who is not proven guilty.

On the other hand, yknow... I kinda think America needs to know the what the POTUS and other powerful elites were doing with Epstein and his victims.
 
Visbek said:
I have mixed feelings about this.

My primary concern is that if the files are released, they almost certainly contain material that is not particularly strong, and an unstable person is going to go all Pizzagate and attack someone who is not proven guilty.

On the other hand, yknow... I kinda think America needs to know the what the POTUS and other powerful elites were doing with Epstein and his victims.
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Interesting take.

I wonder if the 'powerful elites' are so calculated and measured when they consider the possibility of collateral damage when they make decisions.

Perhaps that assists in explaining why there's such an incongruence in the first place.
 
"The entirety"? Of course not. Lots of minor victims named and identified in some way. The absolute first priority should be the privacy rights of those minor victims.

By the way, one of the victims filed lawsuits against Epstein et al, and requested the public release of those files, so alot of the information of Epstein and who some of his clients where is already public. Since it is not Clinton or Trump named, no one really seems to care.
 
Allan said:
By the Epstein files I don't mean the decoy Grand Jury information.

I mean the entirety of the DOJ files including the Palm Beach investigation.
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Only files and tapes that do not expose the names or images of any victims can be released. Nothing else. The rest of the details should be open range, for anybody to pick at.

Anyone caught in a harmless "guilt by association" mix - most names I would suspect - can just explain their level of participation when they are asked by their spouse, the press, or their constituents. Easy-Peasy. "Yeah, I met him at a party that Wednesday and he offered me a ride in his plane on my way to San Diego on Friday after noon. Never saw him after that." Epstein/Maxwell probably had perfectly benign contacts with many hundreds of people over those years. They were prominent socialites. I'm sure every person they partied with was not involved in human trafficking.
 
Any other answer than yes is shilling for the elites.
 
Qualified yes. As other have mentioned, the information regarding victims should remain private.
 
Visbek said:
I have mixed feelings about this. . .

. . . On the other hand, yknow... I kinda think America needs to know the what the POTUS and other powerful elites were doing with Epstein and his victims.
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Why?

Suppose the files ARE made public, and Trump IS named in the files, and Trump WAS allegedly participating in the sexual shenanigans with underage people, how would that impact his presidency?

Certainly, the statute of limitations has expired, and no (criminal) charges could be brought against Trump. The absolute worst thing that could happen to Trump is he could be named in a lawsuit by the underage victim(s).
 
SkyChief said:
Why?

Suppose the files ARE made public, and Trump IS named in the files, and Trump WAS allegedly participating in the sexual shenanigans with underage people, how would that impact his presidency?

Certainly, the statute of limitations has expired, and no (criminal) charges could be brought against Trump. The absolute worst thing that could happen to Trump is he could be named in a lawsuit by the underage victim(s).
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If there is no danger to Trump, as you conclude, then there is no reason to hold onto the info.
 
SkyChief said:
Why?

Suppose the files ARE made public, and Trump IS named in the files, and Trump WAS allegedly participating in the sexual shenanigans with underage people, how would that impact his presidency?
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Probably not at all. In fact, his history of sexual predation has been well known for decades, and it had no effect on his electibility, so ....
The fact is most of Trump's moronic minions have no problem with his infidelity, his sexual abuse, his payoffs to porn stars, his bragging about sexual assault, so why would they care if he was buying underage females for his pleasure? Answer: They likely wouldn't give a shit.
SkyChief said:
Certainly, the statute of limitations has expired, and no (criminal) charges could be brought against Trump.
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This is not necessarily true. It varies from state to state. For example, the statute of limitations on 2nd degree rape in New York State is 20 years, and the clock to file those charges doesn't even start until the victim is 18 years old, so if anyone was having sex with a 14 year old back in 2001, they're still libel to be charged in that state.
SkyChief said:
The absolute worst thing that could happen to Trump is he could be named in a lawsuit by the underage victim(s).
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And this can happen in any event, even without getting slammed by Maxwell's silver hammer. He has already been accused of sexual assault by 27 women, so any other accusations would certainly fall on deaf ears to his idiot acolytes.
 
Redress said:
So concern for the minor victims is "shilling for the elites" now?
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Those minors are all adults now if they haven't committed suicide. Their names will be redacted anyway.
 
MamboDervish said:
This is not necessarily true.
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It is true.
MamboDervish said:
It varies from state to state. For example, the statute of limitations on 2nd degree rape in New York State is 20 years, and the clock to file those charges doesn't even start until the victim is 18 years old, so if anyone was having sex with a 14 year old back in 2001, they're still libel to be charged in that state.
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It's been over 27 years since Trump was visiting Epstein's Island (Trump's last recorded visit was in the 1990s). No state in the country has a Statute of Limitations over 21 years (except in murder cases).

Therefore, Trump cannot be charged criminally - in ANY state. I'm not sure about lawsuits - or if there even is a distinction between civil and criminal Statute of Limitations.
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And this can happen in any event, even without getting slammed by Maxwell's silver hammer. He has already been accused of sexual assault by 27 women, so any other accusations would certainly fall on deaf ears to his idiot acolytes.
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Right, so there is zero effect - even if it's disclosed that Trump WAS named in the Epstein Files. My point is that this is much ado about nothing. No matter what happens with the Epstein Circus, Trump will leave office on January 20th 2029.
 
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Allan said:
By the Epstein files I don't mean the decoy Grand Jury information.

I mean the entirety of the DOJ files including the Palm Beach investigation.
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Yes, with the exception of files that cannot legally be released.
 
If we are going to have new self-interested testimony from Maxwell following some behind-closed-doors deal with Blanche/Trump, then yes.
 
SkyChief said:
Why?

Suppose the files ARE made public, and Trump IS named in the files, and Trump WAS allegedly participating in the sexual shenanigans with underage people, how would that impact his presidency?

Certainly, the statute of limitations has expired, and no (criminal) charges could be brought against Trump. The absolute worst thing that could happen to Trump is he could be named in a lawsuit by the underage victim(s).
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When did diddling children become ok?
 
SkyChief said:
The absolute worst thing that could happen to Trump is he could be named in a lawsuit by the underage victim(s).
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They could do that now anyway.

The absolute worst thing that could happen to Trump is that he would be impeached and have to leave office in the disgrace he deserves.
 
Visbek said:
I have mixed feelings about this.

My primary concern is that if the files are released, they almost certainly contain material that is not particularly strong, and an unstable person is going to go all Pizzagate and attack someone who is not proven guilty.

On the other hand, yknow... I kinda think America needs to know the what the POTUS and other powerful elites were doing with Epstein and his victims.
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I appreciate this take but quote honestly that takes place anyway as we saw with the referenced pizzagate. Maybe if the public saw arrests theyd stop filling in the gaps themselves.
 
SkyChief said:
It is true.

It's been over 27 years since Trump was visiting Epstein's Island (Trump's last recorded visit was in the 1990s). No state in the country has a Statute of Limitations over 21 years (except in murder cases).

Therefore, Trump cannot be charged criminally - in ANY state. I'm not sure about lawsuits - or if there even is a distinction between civil and criminal Statute of Limitations.

Right, so there is zero effect - even if it's disclosed that Trump WAS named in the Epstein Files. My point is that this is much ado about nothing. No matter what happens with the Epstein Circus, Trump will leave office on January 20th 2029.
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So then Trump has no reason to not release the Epstein files? He must have a good reason it is hurting him with his base.
 
SkyChief said:
Why?

Suppose the files ARE made public, and Trump IS named in the files, and Trump WAS allegedly participating in the sexual shenanigans with underage people, how would that impact his presidency?

Certainly, the statute of limitations has expired, and no (criminal) charges could be brought against Trump. The absolute worst thing that could happen to Trump is he could be named in a lawsuit by the underage victim(s).
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The sitting POTUS being a child rapist might derail his agenda, and cause allies to run for the hills. If you normalize everything, nothing has meaning.
 
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I serious questions about the rights of people to their privacy. Jeffrey Epstein has no rights. He is dead. People who are not creeps or criminals would have their names plastered on the same page with pictures of Jeffrey Epstein. This is not right.
 
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