Should the 2A be repealed?

[bicycleman]

i wonder whos back up account this is LMAO

I'm no sock puppet. I've been here longer than you, but I tend to come here for awhile, make conversation, and then disappear.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

The 2A has nothing to do with hunting.

It says everyone has the right to be armed without any restrictions. So if you want to own a gun for hunting purposes, it falls under the Second Amendment.

 

[AGENT J]

I'm no sock puppet. I've been here longer than you, but I tend to come here for awhile, make conversation, and then disappear.

Cool Story! lol

 

[VanceMack]

Being able to own a device that introduces massive energy release ... You mean like a vehicle with a drunk driver in it slamming into a family? Or a crazed lunatic driving a vehicle and running down individuals in a Christmas parade?

The problem isn't gun violence .. that's an outcome or symptom to an underlying problem that keeps getting ignored -- my perspective: mental health and gang and suicide (mental health) are top of the list.

Well...I mean...he did SAY that in his post.....

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Sorry. I'm on mobile so the personal tab that shows gender/political leaning/location is hidden.

Never assume you know anyone's sex then.

This is one reason I hate mobile devices. People can do a lot more with a desktop computer and have a much better experience.

 

[Josie]

Never assume you know anyone's sex then.

This is one reason I hate mobile devices. People can do a lot more with a desktop computer and have a much better experience.

Like ..... Googling if you can kill someone with your bare hands before saying that no one is ever killed with bare hands?

 

[VanceMack]

I agree with him 100% If we need to revolt against our government, guns won't do the trick. This isn't 1776. Snap out of your dream world.

Why do you think that?

I mean...set aside the obvious fact that people living in caves armed with small arms just reclaimed power from the largest military on the planet, why do you think 140 million armed citizens wont prevent a tyrannical government from taking hold in the US?

 

[VanceMack]

Eliminating 2A wouldn't mean no one can own a gun. It would be a privilege like driving, not a right.

And you get that there are a very large number of unlicensed illegal drivers out there on any given day, right?

 

[Josie]

I agree with him 100% If we need to revolt against our government, guns won't do the trick. This isn't 1776. Snap out of your dream world.

How might revolting against the people with all of the guns work for the people with no guns?

 

[VanceMack]

Armed revolt is absurd.

And yet, the idiot leftist shitheads rioting and burning down cities that you support is an all too real threat.

Its pretty tragic that whenever y'all think of the citizen 'militia' you think a war against the US Army, and not the much more realistic scenarios of armed response against violent leftist shitheads trying to destroy the country.

 

[d0gbreath]

How might revolting against the people with all of the guns work for the people with no guns?

They can be spectators and film everything with their phones.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Well, the anti-gun side usually focuses on factual statistics. The most common being stats around gun deaths per capita by country, which are true. That's the generic argument.

Not just that, but also comparing gun-related death numbers in red states versus blue states.

Something gun rights advocates love to ignore is the fact that many people suffered life-threatening injuries, but got treatment in time to recover. Another one is people like Jacob Blake. How many other people were permanently disabled for no other reason but a gunshot? We should not just count how many people were killed by guns. What is the combined total of all gun-related injuries and deaths? I never saw any sympathy from gun rights advocate for those people.

 

[Josie]

Not just that, but also comparing gun-related death numbers in red states versus blue states.

Something gun rights advocates love to ignore is the fact that many people suffered life-threatening injuries, but got treatment in time to recover. Another one is people like Jacob Blake. How many other people were permanently disabled for no other reason but a gunshot? We should not just count how many people were killed by guns. What is the combined total of all gun-related injuries and deaths? I never saw any sympathy from gun rights advocate for those people.

Why on earth would anyone have sympathy for an alleged rapist who tried to pull a knife on the police when he was being arrested?

 

[natman]

By inference, it does say the people of the states. States don't bear arms, only people do. And they wanted to call attention to the necessity of people being apportioned and approved to keep the arms, as opposed to kept by the state, and only distributed at the moment of need. Plus, it would have been grammatically redundant to say "... free state, the right of the STATE'S people ..."

The phrase "the right of the people" means the same thing in every amendment in the Bill of Rights. Any implication that the people referred to in the Second - and ONLY the Second - are somehow different from all the other references is absurd.

 

[MaryP]

Not just that, but also comparing gun-related death numbers in red states versus blue states.

Something gun rights advocates love to ignore is the fact that many people suffered life-threatening injuries, but got treatment in time to recover. Another one is people like Jacob Blake. How many other people were permanently disabled for no other reason but a gunshot? We should not just count how many people were killed by guns. What is the combined total of all gun-related injuries and deaths? I never saw any sympathy from gun rights advocate for those people.

My own guess is that part of the reason gun deaths have been coming down for decades is that trauma medicine has improved significantly. I agree with you 100% Even if a person doesn't suffer a permanent disability thanks to excellent emergency medicine, it still sucks to get shot in the face, the gut, wherever! Shooting survivors matter!

 

[CharloTexan]

Being able to own a device that introduces massive energy release ... You mean like a vehicle with a drunk driver in it slamming into a family? Or a crazed lunatic driving a vehicle and running down individuals in a Christmas parade?

The problem isn't gun violence .. that's an outcome or symptom to an underlying problem that keeps getting ignored -- my perspective: mental health and gang and suicide (mental health) are top of the list.

Mental health, or lack thereof, is not a predicter of who will commit offenses using a gun. Do you know how many people there are with mental health issues who did not (and will not) commit a "gun crime?" You are right, there's a sh*t-ton full.

So quit giving me this "we need to fix mental health" resolution, because there is no way to weed through all the people with mental health issues and find only the ones who will commit a gun crime.

And, while we're at it, quit pointing out that the only people who commit gun crimes are criminals. Neither of these "facts" are helpful in resolving the problem.

 

[VanceMack]

The 2nd Amendment is not going anywhere. No way it passes Congress, and no way it passes the state requirements for ratification of an amendment.

SHOULD it be repealed? No...not if you value the Country as a whole and the preservation of the Constitution and law as the framework for the country.
History is a good teacher. There will never NOT be threats to our country and national security. If anything it is needed now more than ever. We have open revolution and rebellion in the streets regularly. We have cities dismantling police forces despite ever increasing criminal conduct. Rioting and looting is commonplace and becoming more so. Thats just a fraction of the internal threat the country faces. Our border is a joke. We have no border protections. Countries like Russia and China...do you think those people are sitting back just waiting for the US to demilitarize and disarm and then we can all be friends? We have gone from our elected democrat representatives desperately separating themselves from even the WORD socialism to in the span of less than 12 years openly declaring themselves socialist...and many of their supporters championing communism. You think this is not going to have a real day of reckoning?

The citizens of this country...conservative and liberal (theres a difference between liberals and leftists) are more united than events would imagine...but its not going to be the majority of us that set it off. Its going to be the extremists. Frankly...when that day comes and I believe it will (and I hope desperately that Im wrong), those that are keen on burning shit down are going to do it in the leftist shitholes they built. And you know what...as long as they stay there...I'm fine. If it doesnt stay there? I personally dont know of too many people that are going to go hide in a hole somewhere and hope they JUST limit their actions to property damage.

 

[CharloTexan]

The phrase "the right of the people" means the same thing in every amendment in the Bill of Rights. Any implication that the people referred to in the Second - and ONLY the Second - are somehow different from all the other references is absurd.

Only in the 2A are the people qualified and defined as they are in this amendment. In none of the other amendments are the people so narrowly defined as they are in the 2A. All you 2a gun nuts are forever doing impossibly strenuous mental contortionism to completely and from every angle ignore the words, "a well-regulated militia."

 

[CharloTexan]

Any "liberal" who witnessed the authoritarian mess that was the Trump administration and still thinks that "arming against tyranny" isn't rationale enough by itself to keep the 2nd Amendment going, is out of their privileged mind.

No rational person of any ilk or political persuasion - especially not me, who DID witness the hot, wet, putrid mess that was Donald Trump's term in office - would ever think that the 2A extends a right(s) to you and me as common citizens, the permissions or means by which we can legally outfit ourselves with the weaponry necessary to overcome or even withstand the tiniest confrontation against any miniscule portion of the armed forces of the United States, as hypothetically commanded by a tyrant such as Trump.

 

[jpevans]

you aren't disputing his point with that claim

No I'm not, I'm stating people use guns for food hunting.

 

[jpevans]

YES!!! And the 2A prevents that.

By who's interpretation?

 

[jpevans]

Didn't turn out to be necessary, as the FBI wiped out the leadership of the Panthers who were armed as it were, as the law did not ban guns.

Well, the FBI did shoot Fred Hampton in his bed.

 

[What if...?]

If yes, tell us why and what should replace it (if anything) and any other caveats to your answer.

If no, tell us why and any other caveats you have to your answer.

It's in there because disarmament of the people is a fundamental tool of tyrants. And the constitution is just a list forbidding every tool of tyranny the founders could think of.

And they are right, I think.

It isn't possible to stand aagainst the military.

But folks could torment the shit out of all the administrators and collaborators of the new regime. Make them scared to go outside.

What we really need to do is figure out why so many shoot so many and deal with those underlying issues.

 

[jpevans]

Electoral colleges fault????? Lol!

Congradulations......that is now the in the running for dumbest post ive read on this forum yet

On this forum, or this thread, or this page?

 

[MaryP]

All very reminiscent of other totalitarian states such as Soviet Union, East Berlin, etc. etc.
Sure don't want anything like that here in the US.

Yeah, God forbid we actually enforced Covid restrictions!