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Should society start focusing on how to save young men from becoming incels?

Should society start focusing on how to save young men from becoming incels?

  • Yes, men need to be socialized differently to account for modern cultural and technological changes

    Votes: 14 38.9%

  • No, its inevitable, men will not be able to adapt to this modern world due to biological differences

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 20 55.6%
  • Total voters
    36
BirdinHand said:
And *gasp* we both have hands here in this house and are capable of doing household chores.

Double *gasp* my son is also expected to do household chores. Including dishes and folding/putting away laundry.
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Yup. I often put away dishes in the morning while the coffee maker fills the cup. She does laundry while taking breaks at work.

That’s how it’s supposed to work.
 
tacomancer said:
Well yeah.

We do it differently here in my house though. If one of us gets up we try and remember to ask proactively. It seems more polite, at least to me.

“Hey I’m up, you want anything?” Is usually the phrase.
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We do the same. If I’m up, I’m like, “Babe, need anything?” And if he wants me to make him a mixed drink, or grab him a Cherry Coke or a Yoo-hoo out of the fridge, I’m going to do it. Won’t lose my woman card by doing that. He does the same for me.
 
Superfly said:
We do the same. If I’m up, I’m like, “Babe, need anything?” And if he wants me to make him a mixed drink, or grab him a Cherry Coke or a Yoo-hoo out of the fridge, I’m going to do it. Won’t lose my woman card by doing that. He does the same for me.
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I dunno. Drinking a yoohoo doesn’t sound very lady like.
 
tacomancer said:
I think its social change more than policy change.
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It could be this new fangled asking permission to touch, kiss, talk etc. This might be why the ***** grabber in chief has a following among the incel community, they admire his flouting of woman's autonomy.
 
BirdinHand said:
And *gasp* we both have hands here in this house and are capable of doing household chores.

Double *gasp* my son is also expected to do household chores. Including dishes and folding/putting away laundry.
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Same here. Equal distribution of work. I may do more than him, just because I want it done right (anal about laundry, etc) but no - it works well for us. We are full-time RVrs in a 300sf travel trailer. Things have to mesh well for us.

I came out of a 25 year marriage with a man who was career military, and ran his house with an iron fist. He was old school, women cooked and cleaned, yada yada yada.

Now I wake up in the morning, the coffee pot is turned on and waiting for me, breakfast is usually there or nearby, and he kisses me on the forehead and calls me beautiful. **** yeah, I’ll take it. 😂
 
jpevans said:
It could be this new fangled asking permission to touch, kiss, talk etc. This might be why the ***** grabber in chief has a following among the incel community, they admire his flouting of woman's autonomy.
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My wife and I have an open rule about that in the sense we freely show affection but it’s something we discussed and understood first.
 
tacomancer said:
Next thing, you’ll be wearing shoes!
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Wearing shoes as I walk out of the kitchen with no uterus, tattoos, dyed hair, and band tee shirts.

I’m the anti-Donna Reed.
 
Superfly said:
Wearing shoes as I walk out of the kitchen with no uterus, tattoos, dyed hair, and band tee shirts.

I’m the anti-Donna Reed.
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Well there is that whole modern pinup look that’s popular now.
 
It might be worth pointing out in this thread, given an undercurrent of assumption that the people we look down on sexually are also those we despise politically, that religious Men (and Women) appear to have better sex lives than their secular counterparts, and that conservative couples also outperform.

A (slightly lesser) increase is also present on the other side of the pendulum, with very liberal couples reporting higher satisfaction than mixed ones.
 
Superfly said:
Respect is earned, not freely given.
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Men (generally) need respect the way women (generally) need love.

Change the words in that sentence to "Love is earned, not freely given"; does it not feel different to you?
 
jpevans said:
It could be this new fangled asking permission to touch, kiss, talk etc. This might be why the ***** grabber in chief has a following among the incel community, they admire his flouting of woman's autonomy.
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I struggle with understanding how respect is “new”.
 
tacomancer said:
Right now, many young men are choosing to not participate fully in society.

Overall, young male educational attainment, career success, income, and other success factors are down compared to women of a similar age group. This is a trend that has been going on by at least a decade but appears to be recently accelerating.

As a result, men are being left behind and are falling pray to manipulative arguments by people such as Jordan Peterson out of their own shame and loneliness making them easy targets for propaganda.

This is creating an issue where we have fewer marriages, fewer children, less societal stability, etc due to men's failure to keep up.

Does society need to start focusing more on young men and helping them become more successful in the modern world?

If so, what needs to be done differently?
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You have a really warped and entitled view of things. I'm not shocked by your expressions.
 
cpwill said:
It might be worth pointing out in this thread, given an undercurrent of assumption that the people we look down on sexually are also those we despise politically, that religious Men (and Women) appear to have better sex lives than their secular counterparts, and that conservative couples also outperform.

A (slightly lesser) increase is also present on the other side of the pendulum, with very liberal couples reporting higher satisfaction than mixed ones.
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This isn’t about religion?

Actually religious folks that participate actively in their church communities, etc don’t tend to be the ones complaining - because they’re a part of a community and that community allows them to meet, date, partner up with others inside their beliefs and social norms.

I’d say the ones complaining are most typically those that aren’t actually an attending member of any religion, but who proclaim and likely twist “beliefs” to attempt to justify or explain their warped views - which are typically that - warped.
 
BirdinHand said:
This isn’t about religion?
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We've had a couple of comments in here, IIRC, suggesting that those who failed at sex were conservative christian men. That is what that point was addressing :)

BirdinHand said:
Actually religious folks that participate actively in their church communities, etc don’t tend to be the ones complaining - because they’re a part of a community and that community allows them to meet, date, partner up with others inside their beliefs and social norms.

I’d say the ones complaining are most typically those that aren’t actually an attending member of any religion, but who proclaim and likely twist “beliefs” to attempt to justify or explain their warped views - which are typically that - warped.
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Hm. While I think both feed each other, if I had to describe a causal relationship, I think I would start the other way round: angry, isolated, bitter people reaching out to find a justification or means of blaming others and society for their position, rather than starting with warped views.

I think the failure comes first, and leads to some reaching for the views, which cause more failure, which reinforces the views, which causes more failure....
 
Voted OTHER

Really don't give a rats patootie for so called Incels or anyone else that is angry at society or believes society or other genders are supposedly against them as long as they keep their angry, unhappy, disturbed ideas and behavior amongst them and their fellow Incels etc..

If they act out against society, SPANK their sorry asses, hard!
 
Given all the snide and condescending remarks being made about men in this thread it's hard to imagine why men are increasingly withdrawing from your company. It truly is a mystery.
 
tacomancer said:
That didn’t answer my question.
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It isn't just a man's fault for the way things are or due to Jordan Peterson. There's issues not being addressed for a long time that has resulted in what appears to be many men being left out under the age of 40. But a lot of men that appear left out are too young to be considered left out by definition. Educational achievement? Look at STEM and see how many of them are females graduating. What fields are mostly filled with females that lead nowhere career wise? Most of them are filled by females.

And society doesn't owe you nor anyone any grievance the way incels feel and others like you feel about them.

A lot of things can be fixed by just having UBI and a single payer healthcare system. But the power elite have you convinced otherwise.
 
trouble13 said:
Given all the snide and condescending remarks being made about men in this thread it's hard to imagine why men are increasingly withdrawing from your company. It truly is a mystery.
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Only against epsilon males who fail to keep up with society.
 
slavablueberryjam said:
It isn't just a man's fault for the way things are or due to Jordan Peterson. There's issues not being addressed for a long time that has resulted in what appears to be many men being left out under the age of 40. But a lot of men that appear left out are too young to be considered left out by definition. Educational achievement? Look at STEM and see how many of them are females graduating. What fields are mostly filled with females that lead nowhere career wise? Most of them are filled by females.

And society doesn't owe you nor anyone any grievance the way incels feel and others like you feel about them.

A lot of things can be fixed by just having UBI and a single payer healthcare system. But the power elite have you convinced otherwise.
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Wait what?

You made a lot of assumptions about my views without actually asking me.
 
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