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Should schools teach proper history?

Should schools teach proper history?

  • No.

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  • I don't believe in public education.

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  • Total voters
    40
What is "proper history"?
And what is im-proper history?
Yep - loaded term, especially when it comes to history.

Some will say "proper" history is only that which depicts America as a beacon of freeberty, rainbows, and Baby Jesus.
Others will say "proper" history is only that which depicts America as the Great Satan.

The truth is obviously much more complicated than either, but right now America has injected partisan politics into education to such a degree that I suspect a comprehensive, accurate, and honest look at history is impossible.
 
God forbid history should make someone feel uncomfortable.

/sarcasm
 
You didn't answer my question.

I directly addressed it, actually.


Yes, I do, and America's history books are written in Texas with a VERY sanitized depiction of history.




Got more questions for me?
 
I wonder if anyone else is doing a lesson comparing the Wilmington white riot of 1895 to the insurrection attempt in 2021.

Or doing a lesson that traces the history of red lining to the gap in value of homes owned by whites and blacks today.

Anyone teaching the connect between blacklists during the 1950s red scare to the attack on teaching racism in schools and the purging of books from school libraries today?

Anyone doing a lesson comparing FL's "Don't say gay" law to Florida's attack in gay teachers in the 1950s and early '60s?

Anyone doing lessons on the history of criminalizing black people to keep them from voting and how we see it today?

Anyone else doing a lesson on the reason why a plurality of Americans don't know the Civil War was fought over slavery and its extension, and what was taught in its place and why?

Anyone teaching how our policies in Central America have led to many Central Americans coming her today seeking asylum?

Anyone teaching how the battle to ban teaching about racism can be traced to the battle to ban the teaching of evolution?
 

Slavery in other societies should be covered in World History. High school students usually take that before US History. When they get to US history, they can compare the difference between our form of racist slavery with other society's. Then they will know the distinctive differences.
 

What he said.
 
Probably a bad choice of phrasing. I mean actual history.



If actual history reveals various truths that have an ideological lean, should those lessons be banned?
Only if it is discovered that any teachers are teaching with prejudice for and or against the ideological lean rather than just to the historical truth.
 

What then about history classes in Germany?
There is much to feel "uncomfortable" about.
But in fairness it can be said that German history classes are factual and telling the sad truth.
 
Yep, history is what it is.
The UK has done all sorts of good and bad stuff and it's all part of who we are so needs teaching.
The industrial revolution = good.
King George 3rd = not good.
 
Holy shit. That article was from 2015 - I wonder if those textbooks are still in use.
 
As long as the teaching recognizes that white feelings matter (WFM) and does not incorporate curriculum that violates those feelings, as determined by WASP. That would only be fair and balanced, which will be determined by FOX.
 
Even modern history has ideological and political underpinnings. The aftermath of 9/11, for example. The concerted effort to white-wash history has actually had disastrous impacts on culture and society, arguably leading to the modern political atmosphere. I was having debates with conservatives into the 2000s regarding the nature and cause of the Civil War.

 
we've been here before...


"For much of the 20th century, southern classrooms treated Black history — when they touched the subject at all — as a sideshow to a white-dominated narrative.

Teachers taught students to sing Dixie and memorize long lists of forgettable governors. Civil War battles got described in detail. Textbooks celebrated the violent overthrow of democratically-elected, multiracial governments. Lynching went unmentioned. The evils of slavery got cursory acknowledgments — and quick dismissals.

“It should be noted that slavery was the earliest form of social security in the United States,” a 1961 Alabama history textbook said, falsely. "
 
Holy shit. That article was from 2015 - I wonder if those textbooks are still in use.

The debate regarding CRT in schools has been a long one, and it just had a different name.
 

Yeah. So the basis for your claim of a "sanitized depiction of history" is a single caption in a single GEOGRAPHY textbook that some people are getting triggered by because it doesn't use the word "slave" TWICE in one sentence?
 
There is no such thing as "proper history".
 
I'm not fooling myself. Are you fooling yourself? Why are you doing that?
Everybody fools themselves at one point or another. To believe that one never does so is to fool oneself.

To be woke is to understand that we are fallible, that it should be understood, accepted and attempts made to deal with it.
 
Yeah. So the basis for your claim of a "sanitized depiction of history" is a single caption in a single GEOGRAPHY textbook that some people are getting triggered by because it doesn't use the word "slave" TWICE in one sentence?
Read the article. It's not about a single caption.
 

I'm not sure I see your point. Are you saying that you think the slavery in other countries in history wasn't "racist," or are you saying that you think that racism was the worse thing about slavery in the US compared to other countries?


More importantly, do you think there were ANY groups of people 100+years ago who weren't, on the whole, racist?
 
The headline is propaganda. Here's the salient part of the legislation from your link -
The legislation is designed to get propaganda OUT of the schools, not to replace education with propaganda.
 
The founders were all rich and powerful men. They wrote the founding documents to preserve what they wanted. When they realized the public was not sufficiently convinced, they added the Bill of Rights.
 
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