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Should public schools be required by law to recite the Pledge every morning?

Should reciting the Pledge be mandatory in public schools?

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Lutherf said:
I agree with that 100% but you have to understand it before you can practice it.

As seems to be evidenced in this thread, a lot of people know the words but the underlying principles seem to be lost to the apathy of a system where standards have been replaced by slogans.
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That's the thing here. We might as well have the kiddies recite The Jabberwocky if it's simply going to be done by rote. At least that would be a little bit of a challenge. What we truly need to do is start teaching the Constitution in classes, because an understanding of the principles behind the pledge are far more important than the pledge itself. If someone chooses to disagree, at least they are doing so from an educated viewpoint.
 
Lutherf said:
No need to make this personal.

This isn't about forcing anyone to believe a particular way. It's about reinforcing the principles that allow the concept that is America to exist. It's about respecting those principles and it's about self respect. It should be understood that the Pledge of Allegiance hearkens back to another pledge a few guys made a bunch of years back, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
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You keep saying things like this but you have yet to mention how you plan to implement it.

You keep talking abstracts and I keep talking reality
How do you embark on ''reinforcing" some child who doesn't want to say the pledge without the use of force?
You can't force patriotism and if you try it becomes Nationalism.
What is to be done with a child who refuses to say the pledge?
If you punish the chld,it's Authoritarianism.
If you don't then your entire point is moot.

If you come to me and tell me my child is being punished for not reciting the Pledge,I'm going grab my high priced lawyers and sue the hell out of the school.
And I have deep pockets.

Sure ,people should have pride in their country,but you cannot force it without losing the pricipals the Pledge is based on.
Simple as that.
 
Josie said:
Every morning the students stand, face the flag, hand over heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Should that be mandatory of all public schools in your state? Would you support that legislation? Please tell us why.
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I think that the pledge should be mandatory. It was as I went through school and it is a good first lesson in civics. It;s not so much nationalistic in my view as it is a reminder of where you are and what you're doing. Its sets a formal tone for education and reminds young kids what they're doing.
 
jet57 said:
I think that the pledge should be mandatory. It was as I went through school and it is a good first lesson in civics. It;s not so much nationalistic in my view as it is a reminder of where you are and what you're doing. Its sets a formal tone for education and reminds young kids what they're doing.
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I saw a lot of kids beat up for not reciting the Pledge during the 60's.
If that's not Nationalistic behavior I don't know what it.

And what should happen if a child refuses?
How do you plan to punish that child?
Suspend them?
Wouldn't that imply that reciting the Pledge is more important tha getting an education?
 
jet57 said:
I think that the pledge should be mandatory. It was as I went through school and it is a good first lesson in civics. It;s not so much nationalistic in my view as it is a reminder of where you are and what you're doing. Its sets a formal tone for education and reminds young kids what they're doing.
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How is reciting a pledge a good lesson in civics?
 
Verthaine said:
I saw a lot of kids beat up for not reciting the Pledge during the 60's.
If that's not Nationalistic behavior I don't know what it.

And what should happen if a child refuses?
How do you plan to punish that child?
Suspend them?
Wouldn't that imply that reciting the Pledge is more important tha getting an education?
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Yeah, no: you're way out there some place with this. I went to school in the 60s in the SF Bay Area, and every class I attended, up through high school, it was required and nobody got beat up.

School is a formal education and should be treated as such.
 
jet57 said:
Yeah, no: you're way out there some place with this. I went to school in the 60s in the SF Bay Area, and every class I attended, up through high school, it was required and nobody got beat up.

School is a formal education and should be treated as such.
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SF Bay area was not Bogalusa, Louisiana.
 
Can someone explain to me why my daughters,who were raised atheist,should be forced to recite a Pledge that contains the words "under God"?
 
Verthaine said:
SF Bay area was not Bogalusa, Louisiana.
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That means nothing to what I posted. If kids got beat up for not saying the pledge in Bogalusa because it's a right-wing city, well, then they got beat up.
 
Verthaine said:
Can someone explain to me why my daughters,who were raised atheist,should be forced to recite a Pledge that contains the words "under God"?
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If it's required as a formality in education, then they say it. Do they go to private school?
 
jet57 said:
It'as a first step in curiosity about our government.
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Wasn't the first step of curiosity for me, and I highly doubt it's the first step of curiosity for anyone else.

It's just something that we all have to stand up for a few minutes; nobody really gives a **** about reciting the pledge, nor the pledge to the state flag, nor the moment of silence. If anything we're all just waiting so we can sit back down again.
 
TheGoverness said:
Wasn't the first step of curiosity for me, and I highly doubt it's the first step of curiosity for anyone else.

It's just something we all have to stand up for a few minutes, nobody seriously gives a **** about reciting the pledge. If anything we're all just waiting so we can sit back down again.
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It's shame you feel that way about your country and have a lazy attitude toward education.
 
jet57 said:
It's shame you feel that way about your country and have a lazy attitude toward education.
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Me not caring about reciting a pledge everyday of the school year doesn't mean I hate the United States.

Nor does it mean I'm "lazy" when it comes to education. I took my education very seriously, I just didn't give a **** about reciting the pledge.
 
TheGoverness said:
Me not caring about reciting a pledge everyday of the school year doesn't mean I hate the United States.

Nor does it mean I'm "lazy" when it comes to education. I took my education very seriously, I just didn't give a **** about reciting the pledge.
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When did I indicate that you hated the United States?

I said that you have a lackadaisical attitude.

I didn't snap to attention either, but I enjoyed it as a staple of every morning. AND it made me curious.
 
jet57 said:
It's shame you feel that way about your country and have a lazy attitude toward education.
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Why do students have to care about the state? You know, indoctrination into statism is really no different than indoctrination into religion.
 
jet57 said:
If it's required as a formality in education, then they say it. Do they go to private school?
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Yes, they did.
They all turned out just fine without having to recite the Pledge.
 
Henrin said:
Why do students have to care about the state? You know, indoctrination into statism is really no different than indoctrination into religion.
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Big Lebowski.webp

goodbye Henrin
 
Verthaine said:
Yes, they did.
They all turned out just fine without having to recite the Pledge.
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A private school CAN set that as a requirement, just like prayer before school.

I foyu think they're better off, well, you're the dad.
 
jet57 said:
When did I indicate that you hated the United States?

I said that you have a lackadaisical attitude.
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I just assumed. I stand corrected.

But still, me not caring about reciting the pledge doesn't mean I have a lackadaisical attitude.

I didn't snap to attention either, but I enjoyed it as a staple of every morning. AND it made me curious.
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That's good for you. More power to you.
 
jet57 said:
A private school CAN set that as a requirement, just like prayer before school.

I foyu think they're better off, well, you're the dad.
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And I can withdraw my children from that school.

I sent my daughters to get a formal education,instead of one educating on how to be a good obediant flag waver.
 
Shouldn't the mandate of reciting the Pledge be up to the schoolboards and not the State?
 
There is no pressing need for the State to mandate the Pledge other than "but I want it!"
 
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