Bad owner and bad person aren't the same thing. I think that's what you are resisting.
The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.
And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.
So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.
The problem I have with the "no bad dogs, only bad owners" thesis is most owners ARE "bad" with their dogs, at least in my experience. They don't train them, walk them infrequently, ignore them, don't have the first clue how to establish dominance, or when they fail how to remedy it, etc. So the "bad owners" are more or less normal people and normal owners who are otherwise likely responsible people.
And the problem with pit bulls and the like is they require much more skill and consistent effort than most dogs, and if the owner fails (as most do), their failure with dangerous breeds put me and my dogs at serious risk of death or injury.
So IMO it's entirely appropriate for a community to 1) limit ownership of some breeds (license them or otherwise require some evidence prospective owners are capable of handling them) or 2) alternatively to ban them as pets. Responsible breeders would ALWAYS do the first step, and I don't see why a community's standards should be less than a responsible breeder.
Your first paragraph is what I've been saying to Goshin.
The second paragraph...see above.
The third paragraph...1) agree and 2) disagree.
You disagree with communities banning them?
The death and destruction they have caused. Not so much their fault, but it happens never the less.
I disagree. If a dog lunges at me in an apparent attempt to bite, he attacked me... whether the bite was successfully completed or not. Many dogs have attacked me; few have succeeded in biting me. But in any case I am sorry if there was confusion, thus my explanation that I was referring to what I perceived as "attempts to attack".
I have no control over this. It is not my dog, nor is it in my household. I can advise and persuade and that is all.
"Bad owner" sounds a lot like "bad person", which is perhaps why this assertion runs into resistance. "Owner who is in over her head and doesn't realize it" would be cumbersome but more accurate and less accusatory.
And it is also more or less what I've been saying in the thread, or attempting to say: I don't advocate banning pit bulls as a breed, but I wish everyone was more fully aware of the potential dangers and realized that owning a pit bull is not for everyone, and you shouldn't own a dog if you're not sure you can manage him safely.
When it comes to Pitts, I am inclined by my experiences to err on the side of "don't".
I don't know you and I'm not trying to cast aspersions. If you have been attacked by dogs many time you are either a postman who walks a rout or doing something wrong. Dogs are very instinctive. If my dog doesn't like someone I probably don't either.
Former utility worker. Had to enter other peoples' yards a lot.
Also ex-cop.
Thanks for not taking offense. I meant none.
I could say that for 100s of things, that's not a legit reason try again.
I could say that for 100s of things, that's not a legit reason try again.
I don't know you and I'm not trying to cast aspersions. If you have been attacked by dogs many time you are either a postman who walks a rout or doing something wrong. Dogs are very instinctive. If my dog doesn't like someone I probably don't either.
Damn legit.
I would like simple poll answers Yes, No, Maybe, Other added if possible.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?