Should Pelosi resign? (1 Viewer)

[Arjay81]

Very true. I don't think there aren't many out there who didn't know exactly what Pelosi meant while she avoided in a way, shall I call it word speak? She avoid the infraction of the rules. Very adept of her.

Years of practice saying what she means while attempting to not say it. She is a master of misinformation.

 

[Taylor]

There is a difference when it comes to the rules.

No there's not. Why do you all keep repeating this lie?

 

[Oborosen]

Pelosi is trash, but a broken clock can be right at least once a day. Trump is a racist, there should be punishment for being a racist, not for calling a racist out.

Too bad for the lot of you that neither she, no the rest of the resisting group could even come close to proving such a notion.

 

[Oborosen]

Denial
Deflection
Deception

The 3-D's of the Trumpeteer arguments. This is the use of Deception.

So rules for thee and not for me huh?

Typical.

 

[Gaius46]

Is there much difference? I mean stating what a man says is racist is akin to saying he is a racist. Granted, Pelosi didn't come right out and say, Trump is a racist. But she did say what Trump says is racist. That's a fine line. Perhaps Pelosi should have pulled a Harris. Saying something like, I'm not saying Trump is a racist, I know he isn't, but what he says are.

Whether or not one can draw a line there, I don't know. If one can, that line is so thin that it is meaningless. Lke double speak or plausible denial. Certainly the implication is there.

I don’t think that line is thin at all. I think they’re two completely different things.

If I said 1 post you wrote out of 100 posts was stupid I would not be implying that you are stupid. Just that the post was. We all do and say stupid things from time to time. Calling that out does not imply that speaker things we are stupid just that the statement / action is.

Same thing here. Anyone who reads her statement as saying he’s racist it might be because given the totality of his behavior they might be thinking “well yeah he’s racist.” But that interpretation is them. The statement in isolation does not call the President racist.

 

[Gaius46]

So what? Why should that change anything?

Given the way the House interprets the rule it doesn’t change anything. On the other hand it seems to be nothing more than procedural matter so why anyone would resign over being out of order in a meeting is beyond me.

 

[Gaius46]

The premise of the thread is that she broke the rules. She did not. I am not saying any more than that.

She did break the rules given the way the rules are interpreted but so what. She didn’t break the law. She violated a parliamentary rule the punishment for which is apparently losing one’s speaking privileges for a day. BFD.

 

[Hari Seldon]

^ What a stupid and worthless message desperately attempting to divert the topic to protect Pelosi's anarchy. I suppose the statute of limitations has run on all the military and civil doctors who all lied about Trump's bone spurs, huh?

Stupid and worthless is about all you seem to post. I was just responding in kind. I can't say 5 deferment cadet fake bones spurs racist scumbag enough.

 

[Amelia]

As recently as last November I was against Pelosi. By January I had become a fan.

I'm still a fan.


Keep rocking it, Nan!

 

[Taylor]

Given the way the House interprets the rule it doesn’t change anything. On the other hand it seems to be nothing more than procedural matter so why anyone would resign over being out of order in a meeting is beyond me.

Yes, there's really no reason for people to continue to put out false information. She obviously broke the rules.

 

[BahamaBob]

Stupid and worthless is about all you seem to post. I was just responding in kind. I can't say 5 deferment cadet fake bones spurs racist scumbag enough.

Gee, Biden seems pretty healthy for a guy who got an "asthma" deferment. Does that make him a creepy hair sniffing scumbag?

 

[marke]

As recently as last November I was against Pelosi. By January I had become a fan.

I'm still a fan.
Keep rocking it, Nan!

Nancy may be a privileged rich white politician, but she sounds like Einstein compared to the new upstart women in Congress with mixed allegiances to varying religions and ethnic groups around the world.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Speaker Pelosi did not call President Trump a racist, she called his comments and tweets racist. It's a fine distinction but her words did not break Congressional rules. She should be replaced as speaker nonetheless because she is a bad speaker but not for this. Since I cannot be silenced by Congressional rules, let me make one thing perfectly clear. Based on many events over almost fifty years of Mr. Trump's personal history, in my considered opinion he is a prejudiced, bigoted, mysogynistic, xenophobic person and a very strongly racist individual.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

So what is Pelosi saying? That Trump is not a racist but occasionally makes comments that might be taken as having racist overtones by some who do not understand his meaning? Surely that must be it, because otherwise she is clearly saying he is racist. You know the whole words matter thing. Democrats can't have it both ways, constantly accusing him of racist remarks and openly calling him racist but denying it on the floor of the House when openly breaking the rules.

 

[Perotista]

I don’t think that line is thin at all. I think they’re two completely different things.

If I said 1 post you wrote out of 100 posts was stupid I would not be implying that you are stupid. Just that the post was. We all do and say stupid things from time to time. Calling that out does not imply that speaker things we are stupid just that the statement / action is.

Same thing here. Anyone who reads her statement as saying he’s racist it might be because given the totality of his behavior they might be thinking “well yeah he’s racist.” But that interpretation is them. The statement in isolation does not call the President racist.

Could be, reading her statement could imply exactly what you stated. It also could imply that Pelosi and the Democrats think Trump is racist even if you don't. That it is nothing more than using racism as a political tool to attempt to gain a political advantage. It all depends on how each individual takes it, probably whether one is a Democrat or a Republican, a Trump supporter or an anti-Trumper. Those folks have their minds made up already, a very long time ago. there's no changing them whatsoever.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

It's cute and somewhat disturbing that you believe that the rules for this forum apply to the US House of Representatives, and that so many of your leftwing friends seem to agree.

It's laughable that you haven't figured out that this forum is modeled after real-life forums yet.

 

[Taylor]

It's laughable that you haven't figured out that this forum is modeled after real-life forums yet.

Which real-life forums would those be?

 

[Lord of Planar]

The rules of the House of Representatives clearly state no member may call the President a racist in the House - and any member who does so is banned from speaking the rest of the day.
Nancy Pelosi is speaker of the House. She knows this. It was reminded to her. SO great a violation of House rules (which constitutes law), the black Democrat chair walked off to protest Pelosi going full anarchist renegade solely for the purpose of ranting personal insults against the President.
Nancy Pelosi now openly is an anarchist, openly is abusing her power in direct violation of law, and openly spits on the rule of law as Speaker of the House. She has psychologically and morally lost it. She should resign - and be removed if she doesn't.

No, she shouldn't resign.

She's a fantastic reminder, being their top spokesperson at just how retarded liberals can be, and who they put in the top tiers.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Which real-life forums would those be?

...Your's joking, right? Oh, for ****'s- Well for one, there's CONGRESS, which has rules for civility that share much the same function as our own forum's; for example, insulting a statement or policy is not a personal insult, while directing that at a person is.

You might remember that little tidbit coming up earlier in the thread, but I can see how you missed it.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Gee, Biden seems pretty healthy for a guy who got an "asthma" deferment. Does that make him a creepy hair sniffing scumbag?

All I know is the current occupant of the White House is a lying sack of **** racist scumbag who likes to hide his paying off of women he has had affairs with including a porn star. A true representative of today's moral and ethical republican party.

 

[jet57]

The rules of the House of Representatives clearly state no member may call the President a racist in the House - and any member who does so is banned from speaking the rest of the day.
Nancy Pelosi is speaker of the House. She knows this. It was reminded to her. SO great a violation of House rules (which constitutes law), the black Democrat chair walked off to protest Pelosi going full anarchist renegade solely for the purpose of ranting personal insults against the President.
Nancy Pelosi now openly is an anarchist, openly is abusing her power in direct violation of law, and openly spits on the rule of law as Speaker of the House. She has psychologically and morally lost it. She should resign - and be removed if she doesn't.

Show us the rule: http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/house-rules.pdf

 

[Gaius46]

Could be, reading her statement could imply exactly what you stated. It also could imply that Pelosi and the Democrats think Trump is racist even if you don't. That it is nothing more than using racism as a political tool to attempt to gain a political advantage. It all depends on how each individual takes it, probably whether one is a Democrat or a Republican, a Trump supporter or an anti-Trumper. Those folks have their minds made up already, a very long time ago. there's no changing them whatsoever.

I agree with. I’m sick of people of all stripes incorrectly throwing around the term racist as a means of vilifying people they don’t like. We’ve watered down the meaning of the word to the point where it’s synonymous with bigotry and in the bargain have trivialized those who’ve actually suffered at the hands of for real racists.

Trumps statements were not racist pure and simple. They might rise to the level of bigotry but I tend to even doubt that. They were singularly stupid and un-American and not fitting of the holder of our highest office and will no doubt cause some of his dumber supporters to do stupid things - as we’ve already seen.

They’re all that but they aren’t racist.

 

[Taylor]

...Your's joking, right? Oh, for ****'s- Well for one, there's CONGRESS, which has rules for civility that share much the same function as our own forum's; for example, insulting a statement or policy is not a personal insult, while directing that at a person is.

You might remember that little tidbit coming up earlier in the thread, but I can see how you missed it.

So you believe that this forum is modeled after Congress... :lamo

 

[Bodi]

WHy do you have to lie? Here is what she said:



She called his tweets racist, not he himself. When you have to lie to set up the premise of your poll, you fail.

It is like calling a DP Member's post, racist, instead of the poster... but we all know what the real message is now... don't we?

 

[upsideguy]

The rules of the House of Representatives clearly state no member may call the President a racist in the House - and any member who does so is banned from speaking the rest of the day.
Nancy Pelosi is speaker of the House. She knows this. It was reminded to her. SO great a violation of House rules (which constitutes law), the black Democrat chair walked off to protest Pelosi going full anarchist renegade solely for the purpose of ranting personal insults against the President.
Nancy Pelosi now openly is an anarchist, openly is abusing her power in direct violation of law, and openly spits on the rule of law as Speaker of the House. She has psychologically and morally lost it. She should resign - and be removed if she doesn't.

Unless, of course, if the President actually IS a racist, in which case calling him a racist would be merely speaking the truth. Politicians speaking the truth is always welcome and refreshing.

That all said, she said his comments were racist; not the he was a racist. So, maybe she really did fall short of speaking the whole truth.

 

[Redress]

It is like calling a DP Member's post, racist, instead of the poster... but we all know what the real message is now... don't we?

The "message" does not matter, what matters is the rules. The OP was about the rules, not the message. Helps to read the thread before commenting...