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Should Obama step down over this latest scandal?

Should Obama step down over this latest scandal?

  • Yes, explain

    Votes: 7 16.7%

  • No, explain

    Votes: 37 88.1%
  • Total voters
    42
mikhail said:
Yea politics is a dirty game but Mccains one of the most righteous.
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Proven wrong by his latest backstabbing of 1.1 billion people.
 
Hatuey said:
Pointing out your double standard and hypocrisy.
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Its not a double standard by Mccain himself though because he hasnt attacked him for it.
 
No, he should not. Any more than McCain should step down over being in bed with this guy:

Rev. John Hagee -- a white evangelical who is the pastor of a sprawling "mega-church" in Texas -- enthusiastically endorsed John McCain.

* God caused Hurricane Katrina to wipe out New Orleans because it had a gay pride parade the week before and was filled with sexual sin. From the same interview:

JH: All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.

The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it would was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other gay pride parades.

So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the Day of Judgment, and I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.

* The End Times -- Rapture -- is imminent and the U.S. Government must do what it can to hasten it, which at minimum requires: (a) a war with Iran and (b) undying, absolute support for a unified Israel, including all Occupied Territories (hence, Joe Lieberman's love affair with them). From Christian Palestinian Daoud Kuttab in The New York Times (h/t PZ Meyers):

A small minority of evangelical Christians have entered the Middle East political arena with some of the most un-Christian statements I have ever heard. . . . [Rev.] Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon (which will mean the death of most Jews, in his eyes) and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West.

Hagee believes that "the president's support for Israel fulfills a biblical injunction to protect the Jewish state," which "will play a pivotal role in the second coming." These views are not unrelated to Hagee's support for McCain. Quite the contrary; Hagee cited McCain's so-called "pro-Israel views," his belligerence towards Iran, and his social conservatism as reasons for the endorsement. And in critical contrast to Obama and Farrakhan, McCain actually seems to share some of Hagee's more twisted views, as evidenced by McCain's joyful singing about dropping bombs on Iran.

The GOP has long been given a pass on courting the most warped and twisted religious figures around. George Bush spoke regularly with Pat Robertson -- never once forced to "denounce" or "reject" him. In 2006, Rev. Hagee had a private meeting with uber-White House neocon (and convicted criminal) Elliot Abrams, who just happens to run Middle East policy in the Bush administration, and afterwards, Hagee gushed that he and Abrams (like he and Lieberman) shared similar views towards the Middle East: "we felt we were on the right track."
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Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
 
Hatuey said:
Felicity are you being dense on purpose? Does the fact that McCain pandered to a clearly anti-Catholic zealot for a few days change the fact that he pandered to an anti-catholic zealot?
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Are you being dense? I am not defending McCain's error. It's a different thing, however.



That you'd vote for a presidential candidate who associates himself with people who routinely bash Catholics while your scream about another candidate who's associated himself with somebody who you claim is a zealot just shows you for the hypocrite you are
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I didn't use the word zealot--I said "anti-American shite" rolled out of the mouth of Obama's twenty year mentor and advisor--and Obama is so far not being specific, nor clear in his condemnation of such anti-American rhetoric. It does not reflect well on his judgement. I would rather have an anti-Catholic as president of the United States than someone who takes advice from an anti-American mentor/advisor.
 
mikhail said:
Its not a double standard by Mccain himself though because he hasnt attacked him for it.
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Who said it was a double standard by McCain? I was pointing out clear hypocrisy of the right wingers on this issue. McCain refused to denounce the endorsement of an anti-catholic priest until he won the Texas primary. Those are the facts. If you can't deal with them then you're more then welcome to prove them wrong.
 
Felicity said:
Are you being dense? I am not defending McCain's error. It's a different thing, however.
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Sure you aren't defending it. You are overlooking it. Which is worse and shows just how much character both you and McCain lack. You as a catholic and McCain as a human being. Him for his actions and you for overlooking them.

I didn't use the word zealot--I said "anti-American shite" rolled out of the mouth of Obama's twenty year mentor and advisor--and Obama is so far not being specific, nor clear in his condemnation of such anti-American rhetoric. It does not reflect well on his judgement. I would rather have an anti-Catholic as president of the United States than someone who takes advice from an anti-American mentor/advisor.
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"I see nothin!" - Cleveland
 
Felicity said:
Are you being dense? I am not defending McCain's error. It's a different thing, however.





I didn't use the word zealot--I said "anti-American shite" rolled out of the mouth of Obama's twenty year mentor and advisor--and Obama is so far not being specific, nor clear in his condemnation of such anti-American rhetoric. It does not reflect well on his judgement. I would rather have an anti-Catholic as president of the United States than someone who takes advice from an anti-American mentor/advisor.
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Hatuey's style of arguement is to make you go off topic and agree with something that is very basic and although it doesent prove his point gets you to admit something.

A bit like if you where complaining about the price of an ice cream you where gonna buy he would say "so you admit you like ice cream?" you would reply by saying "thats not the point" after which he would continue to ask you if you like ice cream till the point is forgotton and you admit you like ice cream.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am sure everyone has been following the latest Obama scandal with his rascist minister of 20 years whom Obama says has had and incredible influence on his life for the betterment of the democratic party. So the question is should he step down?
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No he shouldn't drop out.A supporter or even a candidate saying something that other people disagree with does not warrant a candidate dropping out. Because of if that was the case then everyone would drop out as soon as people found something to disagree with.Hillary's feminazi supporter said **** about McCain and at the same time made disparaging remarks about the troops with her at least hillary wasn't trained to kill people remark.


Obama is a lib so something crazy and anti-American would have eventually popped out of his mouth.Look at John Kerry for example monsters in the form of millions of fighting men and women,a all volunteer force will be filled with the poor, black and uneducated ,US soldiers are terrorizing Iraqi women and men in the middle of the night and etc.
 
Hatuey said:
Actually it very much is. A religious zealot is a religious zealot as we have already established with Obama and his relationship with Wright. McCain has been dodging what is a clear double standard. His "cojones" came long after he had no use for them.
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If you want to debate McCain and his associations, then start a thread for it. This one is for Obama.

How typical that Obama supporters MUST point the finger at the next person instead of debating Obama himself. McCain's associations are not an excuse for Obama's. It only make them both suspicious.
 
Hatuey said:
Sure you aren't defending it. You are overlooking it. Which is worse and shows just how much character both you and McCain lack. You as a catholic and McCain as a human being. Him for his actions and you for overlooking them.



"I see nothin!" - Cleveland
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What do you gain by making this a personal attack against MY character? That's just stoopid.:roll:
 
Gibberish said:
Let me see if I am following..
  1. Louis Farrakhan is the head of that Nation of Islam and has made rascist comments.
  2. Jeremiah A. Wright. is a former pastor and Obama's church who thinks Louis Farrakhan has political power in the black communities who will be remembered as a giant of the African American religious experience and one of the nation’s most powerful critics.
  3. Obama attends the church where Jeremiah A. Wright was the pastor.

How exactly is this a scandal?

It seems to me it's like Kevin Bacon making a statement and Navy Pride having to apologize for it.
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This guy is his mentor.He attended his church for 20 years.......He married them........He baptized their children....He had a profound influence on his life.............Have you listened to his sermon????
 
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Navy Pride said:
This guy is his mentor.He attended his church for 20 years.......e married them........He baptized their children
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I don't think Gibberish realized the racist anti-American words are directly from Wright. I think he only realized that Wright approves of Farrakhan, not that he TALKS like him.
 
Obviously,... Barak Obama doesn't agree with the really psychotic bigoted racially charged rants of his pastor,... right?


I wonder what he likes about this guy and his sermons?


I'm sure he's done the one about the mustard seed...
 
Alex said:
If you want to debate McCain and his associations, then start a thread for it. This one is for Obama.

How typical that Obama supporters MUST point the finger at the next person instead of debating Obama himself. McCain's associations are not an excuse for Obama's. It only make them both suspicious.
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I can't tell you how many threads he has hijacked.......I dont know how he continues to get away with it....
 
Felicity said:
I don't think Gibberish realized the racist anti-American words are directly from Wright. I think he only realized that Wright approves of Farrakhan, not that he TALKS like him.
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I think you right....I have my differences with Gibberish but he is usually pretty fair....
 
Did anyone catch Oreilly tonight? There were 2 black women on defending the racist minister and saying he said nothing wrong.........

That is scary..........
 
The necessity the civil rights era and the unneeded baggage that posited itself within it (Gramscian Marxism) has trapped the mind of so many blacks in this country...

It's really sad.

If America was such a horrible place - dominated by white people, run on behalf of white people and White's only, how's come so many Asians and Indians find success here rather quickly starting from quite meager beginnings??

I'm not trying to say that blacks are less intelligent or less ambitious...


Perhaps the absence of a scapegoat for all of the failures of Asians and Indians, and a demagogue there always to remind them of it, might have something to do with it...
 
Navy Pride said:
Did anyone catch Oreilly tonight? There were 2 black women on defending the racist minister and saying he said nothing wrong.........

That is scary..........
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I dunno if i challenged you to go out and find 2 idiots would it be that hard?

Its a sad thing to say but i think Obama's chances of winning are lessened by alot of what his black supporters say.I dislike black racists as much as white racists they deserve nothing more than ridicule.
 
The silenced majority said:
Perhaps the absence of a scapegoat for all of the failures of Asians and ...
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You forget such things as Manzanar...if one WANTS a scapegoat, one will find a scapegoat. People like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice don't scapegoat. It's not a "race" thing at all--it's cultural pressures IMO, either you overcome whatever negative circumstances you have to face or you are a victim of them. And YOU choose.
 
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