Should Men Have a Say?

[misterman]

Ladies and gentlemen, a dictionary isn't going to settle a debate about abortion.

 

[Chuz Life]

Ladies and gentlemen, a dictionary isn't going to settle a debate about abortion.

Certainly not, if we can't at least agree about what it says or how to apply the definitions contained there-in, it isn't.

 

[Chuz Life]

There are different definitions of the word for a reason. All do not apply at any given time. If you use the definition 'offspring' or 'fetus' for the word 'child', then a child would not necessarily be a person.

If you use the definition 'birth to puberty' then a child would most likely be a person.

Just depends on which definition you are using.

As posted eariler, Rivrrat.

The legal definition of the word "person" is simply "a human being."

And you are helping make the point that- That would include a child who is in any and every stage of their life.

 

[rivrrat]

As posted eariler, Rivrrat.

The legal definition of the word "person" is simply "a human being."

And that definition is sorely outdated and hotly debated. Not to mention insulting and limiting.

 

[rivrrat]

Certainly not, if we can't at least agree about what it says or how to apply the definitions contained there-in, it isn't.

And when there are multiple definitions, it's impossible.

For instance, using one of the definitions of the word 'child', (son, daughter, offspring) my cat is a child. And you want to claim that all children are persons.

 

[Chuz Life]

And that definition is sorely outdated and hotly debated. Not to mention insulting and limiting.

What do you want me to say?

I'm glad the definition is inclusive to the extent that it even includes the youngest members of our species.

Equal rights and all that jazz.

 

[rivrrat]

What do you want me to say?

I'm glad the definition is inclusive to the extent that it even includes the youngest members of our species.

Equal rights and all that jazz.

Which is pretty ****ing insulting.

 

[Chuz Life]

And when there are multiple definitions, it's impossible.

For instance, using one of the definitions of the word 'child', (son, daughter, offspring) my cat is a child. And you want to claim that all children are persons.

Oh Good grief;

 

[rivrrat]

Oh Good grief;

You're the one taking one definition and applying it across the board. Now you 'good grief' me when I do the same? How's that work?

Now, are all children persons? Or does it depend on the definition you're using after all?

 

[misterman]

You're the one taking one definition and applying it across the board. Now you 'good grief' me when I do the same? How's that work?

Now, are all children persons? Or does it depend on the definition you're using after all?

I got nothing again.

 

[rivrrat]

I got nothing again.

That's why it's so entirely silly to sit here quoting dictionary definitions.

 

[jamesrage]

That's why it's so entirely silly to sit here quoting dictionary definitions.

So basically you are saying "Fetuses are not children, it is silly to use a dictionary to see what defines child" ?

 

[cpwill]

okay Riverrat; how do you define a person?

 

[Chuz Life]

okay Riverrat; how do you define a person?

:doh

Now you did it.

 

[Porchev]

Overturning Roe would make the 'practice' of elective abortions illegal. No more abortion clinics. No more "elective" abortions without consequences.

How would overturning Roe v. Wade get rid of all abortion clinics? All it would mean is abortion would be legal in some states and not in others.

 

[misterman]

How would overturning Roe v. Wade get rid of all abortion clinics? All it would mean is abortion would be legal in some states and not in others.

Good catch.

 

[misterman]

okay Riverrat; how do you define a person?

Her cat? No, that's a child. Is a child a person? Or is a person a cat? I'm confused. I need a dictionary.

 

[rivrrat]

So basically you are saying "Fetuses are not children, it is silly to use a dictionary to see what defines child" ?

Uh, no. Fetuses ARE children according the definition of child that reads "offspring". Or the one that reads "fetus". Then again, using that definition.. every animal on the planet is a child too. Therefore, not all children are people. And round and round we go.

 

[gtown25nick]

If the male was somehow 'raped' or otherwise forced to become the father, then yes. Otherwise, no.

 

[jamesrage]

Uh, no. Fetuses ARE children according the definition of child that reads "offspring".

Are you trying to suggest that just because a child is in the womb that it is somehow a different species than its parent?

Or the one that reads "fetus". Then again, using that definition.. every animal on the planet is a child too.

I imagine that every animal is the offspring of its parents that gave birth to it.

Therefore, not all children are people. And round and round we go.

Just the children of people are people.The offspring/child of a cat is still a cat and the offspring/child of a dog is still a dog and so on.

 

[rivrrat]

Are you trying to suggest that just because a child is in the womb that it is somehow a different species than its parent?

Nope.

I imagine that every animal is the offspring of its parents that gave birth to it.

Indeed.

Just the children of people are people.The offspring/child of a cat is still a cat and the offspring/child of a dog is still a dog and so on.

The children of humans are human, but not necessarily persons. At a certain point they may become persons, given the right circumstances.

 

[misterman]

Nope.


Indeed.


The children of humans are human, but not necessarily persons. At a certain point they may become persons, given the right circumstances.

So you're a child before you're a person?

Is someone keeping track of all this? I don't want to miss anything important. This is getting more confusing than Lost.

 

[1069]

So you're a child before you're a person?

Is someone keeping track of all this? I don't want to miss anything important. This is getting more confusing than Lost.

I knew there was some reason kids don't have civil rights. :doh

 

[misterman]

I knew there was some reason kids don't have civil rights. :doh

All men are created equal. But that means all persons. Except for children who aren't persons yet. And cats.

 

[1069]

All men are created equal. But that means all persons. Except for children who aren't persons yet. And cats.

I think that depends on the cat.