Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker rooms? (1 Viewer)

[maquiscat]

Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

It should be entirely up to majorities in each state to decide whether to have laws which allow what you are talking about. I can't imagine that most people want any such laws. The rest of us do not need to jump every time some grievance group of moral degenerates shrieks about its alleged rights. There is no constitutional issue involved, and maintaining public morality is a valid purpose of government.

Better idea. Let each business decide what kind of facilities they will provide, and who gets to use which restroom/locker room/whatever. There is no constitutional right to even have these things.

 

[matchlight]

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Better idea. Let each business decide what kind of facilities they will provide, and who gets to use which restroom/locker room/whatever. There is no constitutional right to even have these things.

The Constitution of the U.S. is not involved, in any way I can see. States, as sovereigns, have inherent authority--what has often been called the "police (as in 'policy,' not the cops) power"--to make laws and policies regulating the public health, safety, morals, and welfare. Any private person is free to set up a business that serves the public and provides restrooms, locker rooms, and other places whose nature usually requires the people using them to expose their private parts near others. And the state, often acting through the local governments which are subdivisions of it, has authority to make laws that prohibit persons of one sex from using those facilities, if their private owners and operators want to reserve them for persons of the other sex.
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[LaylaWindu]

Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

It should be entirely up to majorities in each state to decide whether to have laws which allow what you are talking about. I can't imagine that most people want any such laws. The rest of us do not need to jump every time some grievance group of moral degenerates shrieks about its alleged rights. There is no constitutional issue involved, and maintaining public morality is a valid purpose of government.

Nice bigotry. SMH

 

[LaylaWindu]

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Yes transgenders should be able to use my the public facilities and not be discriminated against.

 

[William Rea]

Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

So just to be clear, you are going to protect any daughters you might have, now or future, from other actual females?

Only the fat ugly hirsute ones.

 

[matchlight]

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Nice bigotry. SMH

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Thank you for your well-reasoned, insightful analysis. It's just what I've come to expect from people with your views.

 

[joG]

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If I wanted to act like most of the folks around here, I would reply with, "define 'fringe'." But I'm not like that. Yet. So I shall just reply that it is not a fringe issue. Witness the hue and cry throughout the land right now. The issue is not fringe; the people concerned about it are hardly all fringe. Those whose highly intellectual responses to this thread consist of "sucks" or "garbage" reveal much about themselves, I think.

I'm kind of sorry to see you try to derail the convo onto sports. Maybe you should start a thread on that! But at least that's a switch from wanting to discuss male sexual response as some on this thread have done, rather proving a point, unintentionally I'm sure.

Edit: Sorry, I just noticed that you said "they" and I'm not sure exactly to whom you're referring. I tried to be careful with my poll wording but it shouldn't be lost on anyone that people immediately took off in multiple directions as to what "male-bodied" meant.

Funny to think that a topic is not fringe, because it creates a ****storm. But you are absolutely wrong in thinking that moving to the essence of the issue is trying to "derail" the thread. It is only trying to cut through the pc jabber.

 

[joG]

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I didn't vote initially because of the way the issue is phrased: "allowed to use Women's public showers and restrooms." I've learned that posting a restrictive sign is meant to limit options, so I wasn't sure how to answer thanks to my social training.

Then I saw all the No votes and decided to answer "Yes" because I have no problem with unisex restrooms and did not want my vote to go uncounted......

Well trained and then corrupted by an impish reflex, huh?

 

[joG]

Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

So just to be clear, you are going to protect any daughters you might have, now or future, from other actual females?

Actual females? You mean legal (in a few jurisdictions) or fanciful females I suspect. But tell me. Would you want you girls forced to compete as athletes with men that say they are female?

 

[joG]

Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

Aren't there 379 threads on this topic already?

Yes, there are.

 

[maquiscat]

Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

Actual females? You mean legal (in a few jurisdictions) or fanciful females I suspect. But tell me. Would you want you girls forced to compete as athletes with men that say they are female?

Nope, I mean cis women. William didn't say trans women and since there are plenty of "fat ugly hersute" cis females out there, I have no reason to suspect he means otherwise.

 

[joG]

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Nope, I mean cis women. William didn't say trans women and since there are plenty of "fat ugly hersute" cis females out there, I have no reason to suspect he means otherwise.

Okay. Misunderstanding.

 

[LaylaWindu]

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Thank you for your well-reasoned, insightful analysis. It's just what I've come to expect from people with your views.

You're welcome. Also no need to thank me, recognizing a perfect example of text book bigotry, hate and ignorance doesn't take much insight. Despicable displays like that one you did are usually pretty obvious to educated adults. Lastly you should get used to it because your views are in fact bigoted and the majority of people will easily see it and we have come to expect it from people like you. In the future try to expand your mind, educate yourself and maybe . . MAYBE . you can let go of some of that hate, ignorance and bigotry.

 

[Scrabaholic]

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And any actual woman - straight or gay - who says 'I'm okay with' showering and changing with men she doesn't know, has either got a screw loose or is lying.

Why would you be okay with showering/changing with *women* you don't know? I'm not okay with doing it with either gender. I've been informed that most locker rooms have private rooms people can change in. I would be utilising them if I were to be changing in a locker room.

 

[roguenuke]

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Yeah! Me and all of my buddies were thrilled beyond belief to see naked women. We loved it! I thought every straight guy did.

Any and all women? How about grandma or most women over 60? Women who are fat or ugly?

From what I've seen and heard, experienced in my life, most men like to see some women naked in certain situations. Some men like to see some women naked in any situation. Few men like to see any woman naked in certain situations, and even fewer men want to see any woman naked in any situation.


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[roguenuke]

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Hang up a tick, but at what point did I ever espouse forcing such a person anywhere. I only noted that when an individual has a penis, even if genetically female, they are "male-bodied". I never made any claim that being "male-bodied" should be the criteria for anything per se'

And I don't agree. I'd say there are many ways that person could be described. Having a single male part isn't male bodied (to me) since most of the rest of the body is much more female in nature, especially if she has female genitalia as well.


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[The Mark]

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It seems that lots of folks here think that even if you have a penis and testicles you have some peculiar human right to go commando with the ladies in formerly sex-segregated spaces like public locker rooms - whether they like it or not. And as most people understand, this isn't some weird, off-the-wall hypothetical poll question. The situation is playing out across the country right now. What's this country coming to, I ask? It's enough to make a conservative - or a liberal, libertarian or progressive - cry. Or get angry.

I'm keeping this simple, so this poll question is not about stand-alone public bathrooms, okay? We're talking about health clubs, public school locker rooms, showers. Pretty straightforward question, so there's no "other" response allowed for this particular poll. And no one can see how you voted.

Since we're defining gender by how a person feels mentally, and not by their physical appearance/attributes, the answer is yes.

Although personally, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a public shower in general, and think they should not exist.

 

[Jane]

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Since we're defining gender by how a person feels mentally, and not by their physical appearance/attributes, the answer is yes.

Although personally, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a public shower in general, and think they should not exist.

Yes. Imagine how uncomfortable you might feel if you were female!

 

[The Mark]

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Yes. Imagine how uncomfortable you might feel if you were female!

Uhh...the same?

 

[Jane]

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Uhh...the same?

Well, you answered that yes, male-bodied people should be allowed into women's showers, but you're not a woman. So thanks for expressing your opinion, but don't you think we have a choice over who we undress around? That is, since it wouldn't affect you directly, then you might not be able to comprehend the discomfort a woman would feel?

 

[AGENT J]

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Well, you answered that yes, male-bodied people should be allowed into women's showers, but you're not a woman. So thanks for expressing your opinion, but don't you think we have a choice over who we undress around? That is, since it wouldn't affect you directly, then you might not be able to comprehend the discomfort a woman would feel?

how is your choice taken away? oh thats right, its not. :lamo

 

[The Mark]

Re: Should male-bodied people be allowed to use women's public showers and locker roo

Well, you answered that yes, male-bodied people should be allowed into women's showers, but you're not a woman. So thanks for expressing your opinion, but don't you think we have a choice over who we undress around? That is, since it wouldn't affect you directly, then you might not be able to comprehend the discomfort a woman would feel?

I thnk we may be on different pages.

I had made the comment that I am uncomfortable with the idea of multi-person showers (IOW, public).
I was then asked how I uncomfortable I would feel if a woman, and since we're still talking about me in a public shower, I responded "the same".

As to the point you THOUGHT I was referring to, that of allowing male-bodied persons into "female" showers, it all depends on how we're viewing things. The current standard seems to be based entirely on how the individual views themselves mentally, regardless of outward appearance.

By that standard, "female-bodied" people who consider themselves male should be allowed in "male" public showers, and "male-bodied" people who consider themselves female should be allowed in "female" public showers.



However I personally would rather public showers cease to exist entirely. Or at the least be unisex/unaffiliated/however you want to put it.

 

[Jane]

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I thnk we may be on different pages.

I had made the comment that I am uncomfortable with the idea of multi-person showers (IOW, public).
I was then asked how I uncomfortable I would feel if a woman, and since we're still talking about me in a public shower, I responded "the same".

As to the point you THOUGHT I was referring to, that of allowing male-bodied persons into "female" showers, it all depends on how we're viewing things. The current standard seems to be based entirely on how the individual views themselves mentally, regardless of outward appearance.

By that standard, "female-bodied" people who consider themselves male should be allowed in "male" public showers, and "male-bodied" people who consider themselves female should be allowed in "female" public showers.



However I personally would rather public showers cease to exist entirely. Or at the least be unisex/unaffiliated/however you want to put it.

When I say male-bodied I'm referring to someone who has male external genitalia. So however they may "feel" inside, they have no business undressing around women who do not know them and who should not have to expect to encounter them in places normally considered off-limits to men. So we're talking about the public school situation in the U.S. as well as health clubs and similar facilities.

As far as my level of comfort in a public shower, I'm relatively shy, but know I don't have any safety concerns at my health club around "normal"-looking women. And once I disrobe and put a towel around me, the showers are all going to be separate stalls with curtains. No problem. At one of our city's public swimming pools that I used recently, there was just the big ol' open room with a bunch of shower heads coming out of the wall. Took me back to my high school days. Not fun. And having some dude with a dick there, no matter how girlie he was feeling that day, would have been an affront to every woman and child trying to shower there.

 

[roguenuke]

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When I say male-bodied I'm referring to someone who has male external genitalia. So however they may "feel" inside, they have no business undressing around women who do not know them and who should not have to expect to encounter them in places normally considered off-limits to men. So we're talking about the public school situation in the U.S. as well as health clubs and similar facilities.

As far as my level of comfort in a public shower, I'm relatively shy, but know I don't have any safety concerns at my health club around "normal"-looking women. And once I disrobe and put a towel around me, the showers are all going to be separate stalls with curtains. No problem. At one of our city's public swimming pools that I used recently, there was just the big ol' open room with a bunch of shower heads coming out of the wall. Took me back to my high school days. Not fun. And having some dude with a dick there, no matter how girlie he was feeling that day, would have been an affront to every woman and child trying to shower there.

Would someone intersexed have made you feel uncomfortable? How about simply a woman who was manly and might have had a small penis as a birth defect? Do you want to ban those people too?


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