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He is the lead cheerleader for the douche bag squad. I know the guy isn't American but what the hell, can't we do something? As far as I am concerned after Bin Laden this guy should be FBI's most wanted. Information is power, and right now this guy is incredibly powerful, and not only does he act like an asshole about this, but his last name even starts with ass. You can't make this **** up. Just look at the guy though:
Don't you just want to beat him with a stick until your arm gets tired, and hand the stick over to the next guy in line?
Can't call it treason if he is not a US citizen. If he was a US citizen then yeah he would be a traitor for helping other traitors leak classified info,after all it takes two to tango. He is no better than someone who knowingly buys stolen goods. Hopefully that one soldier as well as any other US citizen who leaked info gets charged with treason and executed. I do not think Australia will extradite him to be tried in the US nor give us permission to send a drone to cap his ass so the next best thing is wait until he steps foot outside his country.
@spud and Winston: The people that leaked have been found to my understanding. This guy has the power not to leak and leak more documents. When told that he would be compromising contacts with Afghanistan he said that he could care less and sacrifices had to be made.
There are similar whistle blower groups out there that have even tried to covince him to not publish the documents because these are helping the enemy for propaganda and advancement purposes. I really can't believe anyone could say that it's ok this guy is doing this.
Everyone knows that 99 percent of these "secrets" are classified because they're embarrassing, not because they endanger national security.
Not treason, but the guy is certainly a propagandist asshole. I'll never understand why so many people are so eager to see our security undermined.
RightinNYC said:Do you have anything to support this, or is it just an assumption?
I don't think he's trying to undermine our security. He's just trying to help people get informed opinions about the war.
I would confidently make the judgment that very little, less than one percent, one percent perhaps, can honestly be said to endanger national security. That’s distinct [from the percentage that could cause] embarrassment—very serious embarrassment, [if people] realize that we are aware of highly murderous and corrupt operations by people and that we are supporting them. It is very seriously embarrassing.
I think a better judgment would be to look over the 260,000 cables and exclude those which on their surface are dangerous. If the choice is between putting none of them out, as the State Department would like, and putting all of them out, I definitely feel our national security would be improved if they were put out.
That's a load of garbage. His goal is to get the US to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan by embarrassing the country and painting our actions in the most negative light imaginable. He's a propagandist who doesn't care about the impact of his actions beyond his own goals.
RightinNYC; said:So because Daniel Ellsburg says it, it means it must be true?
Moreover, he engages in some terrible logical reasoning in order to arrive at that point:
In the diplomatic and political context, "very serious embarrassment" is directly related to national security. Anything that seriously harms the country's ability to conduct diplomatic operations harms our national security, regardless of how much people like Assange or Ellsburg justify it to themselves.
A lot of people want us to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, and they have the right to work for that goal. It doesn't make them a threat to national security at all. It just makes them a threat to some people's pet national security policies.
It doesn't harm our ability to conduct diplomatic operations. It could undermine public support for the war, but only because it's telling us something most of the world already knows.
Working to get us to withdraw does not make someone a threat to national security.
Doing everything possible to publish classified information in order to harm US aims does make someone a threat to national security.
How on earth does it not harm our ability to conduct diplomatic operations? Secrecy is pretty much the most important part of diplomacy - that's why we have it. If you can't ensure that your communications will remain secret, you can't really communicate.
I don't see how it harms American aims for us to know we're supporting a corrupt, incompetent regime...unless our specific aim is to keep supporting a corrupt, incompetent regime. If what we're doing embarrasses diplomatic relationships, fine. Let them be embarrassed publicly so they can stop embarrassing us in secret.
Do you think it would be a good idea for the government to make all diplomatic communications completely public?
To be fair, I dont care if they guy talks about our screw ups or the fact that we may paint our soldiers as modern day rambos when that could be further from the case. my main concern is the information the guy has that can be used by the enemies and the fact that he said he doesnt care that it will be out there.
Ha I like how you bring up the option "You either like free speech or you don't......even if there is a chance it could **** up **** further in Afghanistan"
Usually leaking sensitive government information does too.
Not treason, but the guy is certainly a propagandist asshole. I'll never understand why so many people are so eager to see our security undermined.
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