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Should James Comey be fired?

Should James Comey be fired?

  • Yes, immediately.

    Votes: 10 13.5%

  • Yes, but not until after the election.

    Votes: 8 10.8%

  • Put him on notice. If he does not rectify the situation by the end of this week, fire him.

    Votes: 5 6.8%

  • No, keep him.

    Votes: 51 68.9%
  • Total voters
    74
finebead said:
Comey violated FBI policy, and he should resign. It appears to me he at the same time violated the hatch act.
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You've not read the Hatch Act.
 
Absentglare said:
If they actually had any evidence that Hillary was intentionally harvesting classified information for the purpose of unauthorized distribution ?

You know, what Petraeus and all the others who were indicted over this stuff did.
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Are you really saying that Hillary had no idea that her emails contained classified information?
 
VanceMack said:
The FBI was involved because the victim was a minor living in another state.
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Wrong. There are plenty of cases of minors living in other states involved in sexting cases, and the FBI typically defers to local law enforcement in those cases, since BOTH local and federal law has been violated. The FBI does not have the resources to run down all the interstate sexting cases. So, why this one with Weiner? Weiner has simply been a private citizen for the last 5 years, except that he was married to a top Clinton aide. This is nothing more than the FBI using its power to go after Clinton for political reasons.

You should show all the times the FBI has investigated sexting involving a minor across state lines, that just involved and ordinary adult citizen.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
No I don't because I have shown you the relevant law she broke, linked you to evidence showing she broke the law, corrected your talking points about things not being marked, and you ignore reality.....
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That's ironic coming from you after you repeated the same formerly debunked talking point.

You provided no evidence of criminality. Did you not know that ?

ReverendHellh0und said:
Declassification is a procedure, she can't just wave her hand and say "remove classification headers and send nonsecure".... That's not how it works...



Classified talking points are usually things that discuss a project, or issue in bullet form that summarizes a larger classified document. These were official government documents, not campaign related documents which wouldn't be marked as classified.

You like to throw the word ignorant around, but you keep demonstrating that your don't understand classified information or how it is handled , and what it takes to declassify something.

if hillary had a magic hand, there wouldn't even be a discussion now.
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You really don't understand what you're talking about. You haven't the faintest idea what the contents of your "evidence" is.

Did you just block out the part where the FBI, which did know the contents of that exchange, unequivocally informed congress that "no reasonable prosecutor" would even bother to indict Hillary for that ?
 
Brewdog said:
You've not read the Hatch Act.
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why not? Explain your position. By the way, I've already posted the pertinent part of the hatch act earlier in this topic, disproving this latest statement of yours.
 
Josie said:
Are you really saying that Hillary had no idea that her emails contained classified information?
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Do you have the faintest idea what the state department does and how information can become classified ?
 
finebead said:
why not? Explain your position. By the way, I've already posted the pertinent part of the hatch act earlier in this topic, disproving this latest statement of yours.
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I worked for the United States Government for 17 years. Every election cycle, we were briefed extensively in class on the Hatch Act. It has nothing to do with criminal investigations.
 
Absentglare said:
That's ironic coming from you after you repeated the same formerly debunked talking point.

You provided no evidence of criminality. Did you not know that ?



You really don't understand what you're talking about. You haven't the faintest idea what the contents of your "evidence" is.

Did you just block out the part where the FBI, which did know the contents of that exchange, unequivocally informed congress that "no reasonable prosecutor" would even bother to indict Hillary for that ?
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*sigh*

Sometimes conversations are pointless. If you want to be a true believer and excuse your 1%er, wall street insider, perpetual war candidate, be my guest.

But as someone who know how classified information is handled and the laws surrounding it I find it humorous that you would even attempt to argue from a point of ignorance with me.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
*sigh*

Sometimes conversations are pointless. If you want to be a true believer and excuse your 1%er, wall street insider, perpetual war candidate, be my guest.

But as someone who know how classified information is handled and the laws surrounding it I find it humorous that you would even attempt to argue from a point of ignorance with me.
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There is nothing of value to address in your post; it is rhetoric about support of Hillary, which is a deflection, followed by an appeal to authority fallacy. We know what the real authority believes, they briefed congress. You are overwriting that testimony with your own desired narrative.
 
Absentglare said:
Do you have the faintest idea what the state department does and how information can become classified ?
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Sure. So are you really saying that Hillary had no idea that her emails contained classified information? Because...... they did. And she willfully sent and received emails that did contain classified information. So.........................................
 
Brewdog said:
I worked for the United States Government for 17 years. Every election cycle, we were briefed extensively in class on the Hatch Act. It has nothing to do with criminal investigations.
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I agree. It has to do with Comey sending a letter to congress saying there was a new set of emails the FBI wanted to look at. There is no statement of evidence of anything, yet Trump is using this in his campaign spots, against Hillary. That is how Comey used his official position to interfere in the election, 11 days prior to voting. He did not need to send the letter, especially now, he should have waited at least 12 days, so he did not interfere with the election. The fact that they are investigating anything is only ancillary. He interfered with the election just prior to the vote, for no good reason, and FBI policy forbids that.
 
It would take an extraordinary effort to oust Comey from his ten year apportionment, so I voted no. Should Mrs. Clinton prevail in the election next week it is in my opinion not an impossibility that we might see President Obama seek to oust Mr. Comey, given the sudden change in statements Mr. Obama has made on the matter.
 
Josie said:
Sure. So are you really saying that Hillary had no idea that her emails contained classified information? Because...... they did. And she willfully sent and received emails that did contain classified information. So.........................................
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No, your question is loaded.

You don't seem to understand how classification works. The overwhelming majority of the information that she's being accused of mishandling was, in fact, not classified at the time.

There were a few emails where, somehow, information that was classified was disseminated onto unclassified networks. How did that happen ? We don't know. You blame Hillary, but you don't know, either. The FBI knows, and their official statement was that her behavior was NOT criminal. So now you are calling the entire FBI a host of liars on the basis of the "trial" that went on in your head.

There is, in fact, currently no reason to believe that she knowingly mishandled classified information.
 
Absentglare said:
No, your question is loaded.

You don't seem to understand how classification works. The overwhelming majority of the information that she's being accused of mishandling was, in fact, not classified at the time.
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You say that is if it matters how many.

Absentglare said:
There were a few emails where, somehow, information that was classified was disseminated onto unclassified networks. How did that happen ? We don't know. You blame Hillary, but you don't know, either. The FBI knows, and their official statement was that her behavior was NOT criminal. So now you are calling the entire FBI a host of liars on the basis of the "trial" that went on in your head.

There is, in fact, currently no reason to believe that she knowingly mishandled classified information.
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Then you believe she's stupid.
 
finebead said:
In this country, you are innocent of crimes until proven guilty. You may believe she broke a law, but until proven in a court of law....
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The problem here is that the Hatch requires intent. Simply influencing the outcome is not enough. If he's conducting the investigation because it's his job to conduct a criminal investigation and if he advised Congress because he felt it necessary then there is no intent. He's just doing his job.
 
At the moment, my main concern with Comey is that he has clearly lost control of the Bureau and has rogue agents leaking information directly to both the press and, according to what we've learned from Guiliani, directly to Trump's campaign.

That cannot be allowed, is clearly designed by these agents to sway the election, which has historically been a violation of the FBI's non-partisan, non-interference policies. I suspect the reason Comey sent the letter to congress when he did was because he knew damned well that some of his agents would leak the Weiner discovery of Huma's emails first. He might be a good person with a spotless reputation, but he is letting the tail wag the dog, and I've no doubt his career will suffer for it if he is not a strong enough leader to leash the monster that is running loose in his Bureau.
 
DiAnna said:
At the moment, my main concern with Comey is that he has clearly lost control of the Bureau and has rogue agents leaking information directly to both the press and, according to what we've learned from Guiliani, directly to Trump's campaign.

That cannot be allowed, is clearly designed by these agents to sway the election, which has historically been a violation of the FBI's non-partisan, non-interference policies. I suspect the reason Comey sent the letter to congress when he did was because he knew damned well that some of his agents would leak the Weiner discovery of Huma's emails first. He might be a good person with a spotless reputation, but he is letting the tail wag the dog, and I've no doubt his career will suffer for it if he is not a strong enough leader to leash the monster that is running loose in his Bureau.
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Guiliani never said that.
 
jet57 said:
I said yes immediately. He made this latest announcement of an investigation based on speculation of material, not on a completed investigation that delivered a result one way or the other. Moreover, these new stets of 650,000 emails have nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.

Hacksmanship on the election, nothing more.
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Are you equally outraged at the IRS targeting Conservative groups?
 
apdst said:
The IRS never singled out a Liberal group, because it was a Liberal group.
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Denial serves you well but it doesn't change facts or reality. I guess what is important is you can pretend you are persecuted.
 
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