I appreciate your thoughtful responses. You seem far more level-headed than some of the Trump supporters who accuse the migrants of being "invaders."
However, I am a little taken aback that a libertarian would support such a solution. This is another big government type of approach, isn't it?
Also, what's to stop employers from just paying workers with cash?
The government doesn't have enough personnel to track every business in the U.S.
If businesses need these workers, it seems to me it would be better to just raise the visa caps to something like 10 million or so. That should be enough. This would also incentivize workers to enter through the proper official places of entry.
Only pointing out that polls based on the same topics the media tells the people, are an indication of the sway the media has. Impossible to use the statistic as not being biased itself.What are you arguing against specifically? Are you making the argument that the people who think that criminals should be deported first have not arrived at this opinion independently? Are you suggesting that if these people did not listen to corporate media then they would have your opinion, that everyone should be deported in one mass deportation like Operation Wetback?
In some cases that is true. Never in low skilled labor. Employment agencies need to start verifying if people receiving unemployment are actually seeking work, and hand out these farm assignments to people in the area.The bottom line is that the caps for the worker visa programs are too low, and we need more foreign workers than what the caps allow.
Yet you yourself use what ever synonym you choose for impact rather than accuracy.Okay, first of all, I think it's ****ed up to call these people "invaders."
I agree, and I sympathize with them.They're regular people looking for a job.
I suspect in most cases, they are. You have lots of individual agents, acting in their own personal ways. Just like with police on the street, some are better at respecting the citizen that others. Of course, every disrespectful action found will be highlighted for propaganda.So, whatever we do we are morally obligated to treat them with dignity and respect.
I have no "political allies." Do you forget that I refer to our elected officials as the lesser of two evils that I do vote for?And if you and your political allies are incapable of doing that, you're going to have to at least follow the law and abide by the Constitution.
Low skilled laborers are already everywhere among us. We have no need for more. We simply need to put our own in these jobs and reduce the subsidies we pay them not to work.As far as visa caps on low-skilled or high-skilled labor, I think we should have as many immigrants come here as it makes practical sense. What that number is, I don't know. I don't care if it's low or high. If it make sense to have a large number of foreign workers work in the U.S. through an organized, regulated worker program, I'm fine with that.
My line is practical. How many employees do businesses need? How many American workers can and want to do the job?
It also looks like the trigger for seasonal workers is too dependent on how many US workers..anyways..yes it needs reformThe bottom line is that the caps for the worker visa programs are too low, and we need more foreign workers than what the caps allow.
I have done little thought on the issue. I don't even remember the numbers we do accept accurately.Let's put that to the test. What's your line? How many legal immigrants are you willing to accept into the U.S. right now?
I don't know the specifics, but regardless of the name, this shows this has been a historical issue unresolved so far.So, basically you're okay with 2025 version of Operation Wetback:
Operation Wetback, was a mass deportation campaign that used militarized tactics to remove hundreds of thousands of Mexican immigrants, many of whom were legal residents or even U.S. citizens, without due process.
The operation caused widespread hardship People were rounded up indiscriminately, denied access to belongings or families, and deported to unfamiliar parts of Mexico. Without food, without jobs, or means to return.
Conditions during deportations were harsh. There were many deaths from extreme heat and poor treatment.
This happens any way when employers pay them.
Only pointing out that polls based on the same topics the media tells the people, are an indication of the sway the media has. Impossible to use the statistic as not being biased itself.
When the media reports on a poll they took regarding the same things they speak of, they are actually looking at their propaganda efficiency.
I have done little thought on the issue. I don't even remember the numbers we do accept accurately.
I believe we have something like 1.1 million legal immigrants annually. I think we can at least double that once we dramatically mitigate illegal immigration
You lefties frequently use you hateful confirmation bias and assume inaccurate things about me.Okay, wow, I honestly thought you'd say zero.
If they meet the current qualifications set in place for the legal status the current average 1.1 million average qualify for. We can at least double legal immigration, but not until we dramatically stop illegal immigration.Okay, so of the 10 million illegal immigrants currently in America, you'd be okay with allowing about 1 million of them to stay here legally?
Yes. I welcome new blood into this nation. I love my Cuban girlfriend who is legal.That sounds like what you're saying. Is that correct?
I don't know the specifics, but regardless of the name, this shows this has been a historical issue unresolved so far.
Don't you think it is time to do so?
Our society was different that many years back. We have matured since then.You seem to be missing the point.
You seem to not care that the Mexicans were treated very poorly during Operation Wetback.
Why do you not seem to care that the Mexicans were treated very poorly?
How can we determine how high we can accept until we can stop the illegal entries?I agree that we should have a well-regulated border, and we should know who enters our country. I think we should know who is here currently.
At the same time, I think that the visa caps should be as high as possible. I also think a robust temporary worker program that allows many millions of immigrants to live and work in the U.S. legally is a very good idea.
I have not seen much outside of what we discuss in this forum. I take it your favorite talking heads are vilifying him.With respect to deportations, I think if we're going to deport people we can do it as humanely as possible. We can make the deliberate choice to not be belligerent assholes like Stephen Miller is.
A message needs to be sent. If this is the way the administration has chosen to do so, so be it.For example, we should not be deporting people who have no criminal record to a maximum security prison in El Salvador, that's crazy. I think there is something wrong with people who think that's a good idea. Anyone who thinks deporting illegal immigrants to El Salvador without due process to a maximum security prison where they'll like spend the rest of their lives is not a good person in my view. It's pure evil.
Did you forget? This is not a nation ruled by religion.Most of you profess to be Christians. It didn't stick very well for me, but I don't remember this sermon at the church I went to when I was a kid. I don't remember the preacher saying, "Let's treat immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, like animals." In fact, I think we can find scripture that shows us that opposite.
Why are you so mean to people you disagree with? It is human nature. Do you not see it in yourself?I don't get it. I don't understand why you folks are so mean to these people. It doesn't make any sense to me. And sometimes the only conclusion I can come to is that some Trump supporters don't like the Latin Americans because they're not 100% descended from Northern Europeans. That's the only thing that explains the extreme irrationality of some of the actions of your political allies.
Yes. I welcome new blood into this nation. I love my Cuban girlfriend who is legal.
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Numbers.The Cubans got a free pass, man, and they got a free pass because we decided to give them one.
And there's nothing stopping us from doing the same thing for everyone else. We can just simply choose to let more immigrants in. We can simply choose to have a more orderly and organized worker visa program. It's a choice we can make. I'm not saying we should have an open border. I'm saying there is a number between 0 and many millions, and the right number is probably not zero.
Yes, I added that line. I said 1.1 million in an earlier post from memory. Looked up the information and posted it, adding the red line for my earlier number.Oh, the red line is your line?
That's your line?
A message needs to be sent. If this is the way the administration has chosen to do so, so be it.
Why are you so mean to people you disagree with? It is human nature. Do you not see it in yourself?
Maybe you have a better way to mitigate the illegal immigration. If so, tell us.
no its literally what it isWe've discussed this distortion of fact.
Yes, really.
Their routine, unsung contribution doesn't lend itself to theatrical headlines. The fact that you must go to the trouble to find (inevitable) exceptions shows that you're being reactive.....motivated by fear instead of sound reasoning.
This (exploited) cowardly reaction remains endemic within the MAGA world.
Not really.Now THAT's trolling.
There would be no need for an 'Operation Wetback' redux, and likely there wouldn't have been one, had Biden not had de-facto open borders allowing, encouraging, instigating, facilitating mass migration into the country.So, basically you're okay with 2025 version of Operation Wetback:
Operation Wetback, was a mass deportation campaign that used militarized tactics to remove hundreds of thousands of Mexican immigrants, many of whom were legal residents or even U.S. citizens, without due process.
The operation caused widespread hardship People were rounded up indiscriminately, denied access to belongings or families, and deported to unfamiliar parts of Mexico. Without food, without jobs, or means to return.
Conditions during deportations were harsh. There were many deaths from extreme heat and poor treatment.
This happens any way when employers pay them.
I repeat offender and a repeat illegal immigrant, so what's the hold up in deporting him, exactly?literally everyday ........ this is who liberals fight hard to keep pouring across the border and living in the USA illegally
Illegal immigrant faces charges for spitting on ICE officer in Los Angeles: 'OK, you got me'
ICE arrests illegal immigrant Omar Pulido Bastida and charges him with spitting on an agent in Los Angeles. Bastida has a previous robbery conviction and has faced murder charges.www.foxnews.com
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) says an illegal immigrant with a past robbery conviction, and who was previously arrested on murder and assault charges, was arrested after spitting on an agent last Tuesday.
Omar Pulido Bastida, 41, is facing a federal assault charge for allegedly spitting on an ICE agent while they were trying to arrest him for illegally returning to the United States, as he’s been deported before.
Democrats / liberals / leftI repeat offender and a repeat illegal immigrant, so what's the hold up in deporting him, exactly?
border is way more secure now helpsI mean, other than making sure he's kept out of country.
I repeat offender and a repeat illegal immigrant, so what's the hold up in deporting him, exactly?
I mean, other than making sure he's kept out of country.
If serving a prison term and then deportation keeps him from coming back, OK fine.It appears they want him to spend some time in federal prison first.
Agreed, now that the joke of border security has been replaced.Having much better border security should help.
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