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Should immigrants have a path to citizenship?

Should law abiding immigrants be given citizenship?

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Allan said:
That's more than enough time for a bona fide refugee to make a claim and start the process.
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Yep, but many (if not most) ‘undocumented’ immigrants have been here for over a year and haven’t claimed asylum. IIRC, the number of pending asylum claims is about 2M.
 
quip said:
The facts are that immigration is a net positive for our country.
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LEGAL immigration is

ILELGAL is not

ya'll need to separate the two - they're very very different


quip said:
That's a perspective only the advantaged are privileged to hold. Coming into this country (illegally) for a better life is exactly what you'd do - for you and your family - if the circumstances were switched.
Tell me you wouldn't.
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I could break a lot of laws that would benefit me and my family - should I ? Should you?
 
quip said:
Massive indeed. Families being torn apart by indiscriminate deportation, lack of fundamental rights and dignity. It's cruel optics...fit for a king.
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the decisions made by people to come here illegally have consequences

that's on them - put the blame where it lays


all of this is because of one thing - people coming here illegally/staying here illegally. If they wasn't doing that, NONE of this would be happening. They are the core problem here
 
Gaius46 said:
I'll give someone who's facing starving or dying a
pass. But that's just me.
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They wouldn't, so their brains will process your humanity as virtue signaling.
 
When you make sweeping statements about a people, you are flirting the bigotry..... when you refer to a people as "these people" then make a sweeping statement about a behavior, you have crossed that rubicon, expressing your bigotry...... your bigoted opinion here, duly noted.
 
stealthycat said:
LEGAL immigration is

ILELGAL is not

ya'll need to separate the two - they're very very different
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Trump is slowly coming to the realization that illegal immigration holds a significant economic role for the US. Again, immigration has been an historical boon for the country ...illegal or not.
stealthycat said:
I could break a lot of laws that would benefit me and my family - should I ? Should you?
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In dire situations, absolutely. So would you.
 
There's a respectable method and means for deportation. Trump is simply, indiscriminately deporting en mass for no more than a political exposition...a masturbatory stroking of his own ego.
 
When I say 'these people' are YOU assuming I'm referring to ALL immigrants? That's an incorrect assumption YOU make.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
US immigration law contains no such (bolded above) exception.



Since many crimes aren’t felonies, should they be ignored by LEOs?
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My point is that illegally crossing the border does not make one a threat as many people seem to claim (see all the comments saying "they crossed the border that makes them criminals" - a naked attempt to conflate illegally crossing the border with other acts of criminality)

LEOs ignore lots of low level, petty crimes. We just don't have enough cops, lawyers, judges and money to deal with all laws that get broken every day.
 
Gaius46 said:
Crossing the border illegally to escape persecution or to find work to feed your family
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Some may be crossing in hopes of a better life, however the suggestion that most are crossing illegally to escape persecution in their own country is largely a libril myth. I am sure that you have seen coverage of the protests in for instance Los Angeles and NYC, where they are flashing the flags of the country they allegedly fled from rather than the American flag. Many are coming for free healthcare, refillable debit cards and free hotel rooms.
Gaius46 said:
is a very different thing from crossing the border to smuggle narcotics.
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However, it is still a criminal act.
Gaius46 said:
To say "well they crossed the border illegally so they are security threats" is complete nonsense. And since we're being all nitpicks about things absent a conviction they aren't criminals.
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They absolutely are criminals, many of them with criminal convictions in their own countries, many with convictions in this country. The point is that if we cannot vet individuals who come into this country, we are far less safe, and lose our sovereignty.
Gaius46 said:
And you do realize that illegally crossing the border - the first time - is not a felony right?
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It's still a criminal act. And no matter how you attempt to spin it, it is not okay. The results of the 2024 election should have taught you that.
 
Hip octogenarian said:
Undocumented immigrants should have the right to be licensed. That's just common sense.
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Why? Is that what they do in Canada? Britain? Japan? Germany? Switzerland? They don’t even have a right to be here. So they don’t have a right to a driver’s license. Hell, I’ve been told my entire life, beginning with the liberals running California, that driving is a privilege, not a right, and I’m an American citizen by birth and parentage!
 
Very well stated.
 
trixare4kids said:
Just one comment. You'd be better using those 1,300 more days of Trump being in office to figure out how team Democrats lost so badly.
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So far, they are still refusing to look inward and self-reflect. The indications at this point seem to be that they plan to again run on the wrong side of the issues that destroyed them in the 2024 elections. Let's see if that changes in the lead up to the 2026 midterms. I have my doubts.
 
Allan said:
Refugee claimants can get a driver's licence in Canada.
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I’m not talking about about refugees. I’m talking about “undocumented immigrants,” like economic migrants or people who overstay their visas. If it’s common sense to issue these people licenses, why isn’t Canada doing it?
 

Arguing that those found to be violating federal immigration law should be ignored (excused?) is ridiculous.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This is a lie. This isn't true. Fox News is lying to you. Trump is lying to you. Stephen Miller is lying to you. Breitbart is lying to you. Newsmax is lying to you.
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I do not see it as a lie. they are hunting for the dangerous illegals, but that does not mean they should not pick up all the illegals they find along the way which is easily at least 100 times more.
 
quip said:
Trump is slowly coming to the realization that illegal immigration holds a significant economic role for the US. Again, immigration has been an historical boon for the country ...illegal or not.
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that will change - LEGAL is what everyone should be gunning for here. ILLEGAL should be what everyone is absolutely standing against
 

This is a Republican strategist’s wet dream: “Democrats are very embittered, militant, hateful people who support sanctuary cities and states for criminals waving Mexican flags, plastering buildings with expletive-laced graffiti, and throwing rocks at law enforcement trying to keep order or execute valid judicial warrants, all the while comparing our dedicated public servants to the Gestapo. These people hate America. They even hate the army that gave them the right to act like this.”
 
quip said:
There's a respectable method and means for deportation. Trump is simply, indiscriminately deporting en mass for no more than a political exposition...a masturbatory stroking of his own ego.
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there is respectable methods and means for coming to the USA legally and all those people pee all over that and do what they want to anyway

don't they ?
 
Lord of Planar said:
I do not see it as a lie. they are hunting for the dangerous illegals, but that does not mean they should not pick up all the illegals they find along the way which is easily at least 100 times more.
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They are now deliberately targeting illegal immigrants who are otherwise law-abiding. They are doing this to meet a quota. It's not an accident. It's intentional.
 
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