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Should illegal migrants be forcibly vaccinated?

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated?


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Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

I would say yes. A vast majority if them would likely thank you for it...I doubt you'd have to twist too many arms. This would help prevent the unnecessary spread of dangerous illness in your country AND theirs.

Great idea, Joko. :)
 
Then can we force the anti-vaxxers to get vaccinated? They are the ones really putting us in harms way
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

Not unless you are also willing to forcibly vaccinate the anti-vaxxers people we have in this country now that are citizens. Is that what you are proposing as well?
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

I am against forced vaccination in this instance. However, if an illegal immigrant refuses vaccination, they should immediately be removed from the United States.
 
In some cases that may be necessary. I'm sure gleeful right wingers imagine them all being tied down and jabbed by burly ICE agents or mangy-bearded 'militia' volunteers but it would instead be an orderly process under medical supervision. Bear in mind they are therefore proposing free healthcare services for illegals. Ha ha.

But the question itself is something a deflection from the fact there are very real disease outbreaks in communities of American citizens due to their refusal to get vaccinated. So let's not pretended Trump's scaremongering about swarthy hispanics bringing in disease is a bigger problem that the actual luddites (who support him) spreading it at home.
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

Of course they should be vaccinated! "Forcibly" is a rather harsh way to put it though. Why don't we get the regulations in place to do this and then these refugees could be safely vaccinated as per the regulations. Illegals who are already living here should feel safe calling a county clinic or somesuch to arrange for vaccinations without fear of deportation as well.

We need to be sure that all foriegn nationals living in this country are registered, vaccinated, and taxed.
 
If we force-vaccinate Americans as well, sure.

The only people worrying about this would be dain brammaged CTers who perhaps worry about shadowy deep states using vaccines to mind-control the populace and the anti-vaxxers, pompously arrogant people who think that they can use a little internet digging and "common sense" to come to conclusions superior to those drawn by scientists in the field (the two overlap in many ways. e.g., the way the GOP politicized AGW and the partisan false flag theories conservatives tend to push in that regard).

There's no legitimate argument about the virtues of vaccination and thus group immunity. It's just one of the many things where it is a necessary falsehood to make a "both sides" statement about it. Sure, there are both sides: the one that is right and the one that is incredibly stupid, selfish, and arrogant. We used to realize that.

:shrug:

But these days people have gotten it into their heads that their right to have an opinion somehow translates into every opinion they have standing on equal footing with something like an overwhelming scientific consenus; as if they know more from their armchair than an entire body of people who devoted their lives to studying a thing.
 
I am against forced vaccination in this instance. However, if an illegal immigrant refuses vaccination, they should immediately be removed from the United States.

This is fair. To be honest, I'm not on board with vaccinations for everyone because while there might be some benefits to people who might have a low immune system, for other people, I don't think it's effective, based on the number of patients that come in and say they got vaccinated but still get sick. So naturally, I, too, am against forced vaccinations. HOWEVER, if these people are bringing in diseases from other countries, something needs done, if they're planning on coming into this country. If they don't comply, well, as you said, they automatically get deported. No sense on spreading the filth around when it can be avoided.
 
In some cases that may be necessary. I'm sure gleeful right wingers imagine them all being tied down and jabbed by burly ICE agents or mangy-bearded 'militia' volunteers but it would instead be an orderly process under medical supervision. Bear in mind they are therefore proposing free healthcare services for illegals. Ha ha.

But the question itself is something a deflection from the fact there are very real disease outbreaks in communities of American citizens due to their refusal to get vaccinated. So let's not pretended Trump's scaremongering about swarthy hispanics bringing in disease is a bigger problem that the actual luddites (who support him) spreading it at home.

That must be the healthcare plan they don't want to show yet, free healthcare for illegal immigrants. I guess anyone who can't afford vaccines could just walk over the border in joko's scenario for something free.
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

No force...just choice.

Just like for school kids. Exclusion.

If they refuse to be vaccinated, they can be deported. Their choice.
 
That must be the healthcare plan they don't want to show yet, free healthcare for illegal immigrants. I guess anyone who can't afford vaccines could just walk over the border in joko's scenario for something free.

He'll be cool with it as long as it's done 'forcibly'. Preferably with lots of cuffs, rough play and child separation.
 
Empty rhetoric, as I recall

Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

Yah. This issue is a non-starter - Mexico & Central American states (the latter being the source of most of the new upsurge in immigrants or would-be asylees to the US) have immunization programs, typically (last time I looked) with higher compliance rates than the US currently has. It may be worth looking into, but the trend then (4 or 5 years ago, I believe) was that Mexican & Central American populations had equal or better vaccination rates than the US.
 
The ones who go to sanctuary cities don't need to be vaccinated, but those going to normal American cities should be.
 
The ones who go to sanctuary cities don't need to be vaccinated, but those going to normal American cities should be.

Yes, because people in those cities dont travel anywhere else :doh
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

There are valid arguments that everyone should be.
 
Re: Empty rhetoric, as I recall

Yah. This issue is a non-starter - Mexico & Central American states (the latter being the source of most of the new upsurge in immigrants or would-be asylees to the US) have immunization programs, typically (last time I looked) with higher compliance rates than the US currently has. It may be worth looking into, but the trend then (4 or 5 years ago, I believe) was that Mexican & Central American populations had equal or better vaccination rates than the US.

Those countries also claim to have very strict gun laws - how is that working out?
 
Let the punishment fit the crime

Those countries also claim to have very strict gun laws - how is that working out?

Mexico certainly has laws on the books (on carrying lots of cash, weapons & ammo), & they enforce them. A recent story of an Alaskan bank employee who stole $4.3 million & tried to flee to Mexico is a case in point. See Alaska bank worker who took $4.3 million from the vault is jailed for 10 years | Daily Mail Online

He had loads of cash on him, & an AK-47 & ammo. He was stopped @ the border, & couldn't explain why he was carrying all that cash & weapon & ammo. He served 7 years in Mexico, has been released to the US, & has been sentenced to 10 years here.
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

They should be vaccinated before they get sent back. Then even their 3rd world ****holes will be safer from these
hideous deseases!
 
Call the question

They (illegal immigrants) should be vaccinated before they get sent back. Then even their 3rd world ****holes will be safer from these
hideous deseases!

Yah. See Disease Threat From Immigrant Children Wildly Overstated - The Texas Observer

"Disease Threat From Immigrant Children Wildly Overstated

"by Rachel Pearson - Published Thu, Jul 10, 2014

"The Central American kids arriving in Texas are likely to be better-vaccinated than children in Texas.

"With thousands of children from Central America arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border, an old plague is once again sweeping the country—the fear of the diseased immigrant.
“Our schools cannot handle this influx, we don’t even know what all diseases they have,” U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) said recently. “Our health care systems can’t withstand this influx.”

"Fox News commentator Cal Thomas asks, for example, if “the unaccompanied minors pouring over the border…have brought with them proof of vaccination?” Thomas accuses the border-crossers of harboring vaccine-preventable diseases such as “mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria.”

"Before demonizing undocumented children, we should look at the facts: The vast majority of Central Americans are vaccinated against all these diseases. Governments concerned about health, and good parents investing in their kids, have made Central American kids better-vaccinated than Texan kids. We fear them not because they are actually sick, but because of powerful anti-immigration narratives that link foreigners to disease.

"Consider, for example, Guatemala. According to the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), Guatemalan kids are more likely than Texans to be immunized for most infectious diseases. Guatemala has universal health care. Vaccines are 100 percent funded by the government.

"By comparison, one in six kids in Texas is uninsured, and even insured families often must pay for vaccination. That means that many Texas kids fall behind on vaccinations, or miss them altogether when their family can’t afford a doctor’s visit. Other families refuse vaccination.

"Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a Fox News commentator and former director of the ultra-conservative political group Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, writes in the McAllen Monitor that measles is among the “diseases the United States had controlled or virtually eradicated” that are “carried across the border by this tsunami of illegals.”
Fact check: UNICEF reports that 93 percent of kids in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are vaccinated against measles. That’s better than American kids (92 percent).

"Furthermore, it’s absurd to claim that the U.S. has eradicated measles while Central America has not. In fact, measles outbreaks have resurged in some American cities. By contrast, according to the World Health Organization, neither Guatemala nor Honduras has had a reported case of measles since 1990."

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

This is just looking around casually for data. I'm sure there are more up-to-date reports, but this one caught my eye, as it originates in Texas. & apparently governments that actually immunize their children can do an excellent job - something to think about.
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

No. Forced vaccinations are immoral. They should instead be kept in isolated communities and deprived of free travel in the United States.
 
Many on the forum claim that a person not being vaccinated endangers everyone. Illegal immigrants don't bring vaccination records with them.

Unless immediately deported, should illegal immigrants of all ages be forcibly vaccinated with all of the dozens of vaccinations done in the USA? This would apply to all remaining for any reason including waiting years for a refugee status hearing.

Should illegal immigrants without verifiable vaccinations records be forcibly vaccinated even if against their wishes? Or are non-vaccinated people no danger after all?

No. Here is a more appropriate response.

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Let them pay the cost.

:doh The immigrants are already there, sick or not. What do they care if they leave?

What incentive do they have to worry about other places.
 
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