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:2razz:The U.S. government thinks that those who can't afford to pay have a right to emergency medical care.
Hospitals have been providing this for a long time. :roll:
This is nothing new. This subject has been plowed more than Paris Hilton.
Then why have SNAP (food stamps) instead of simply forcing food providers to serve the poor at little or no cost?
Then why have SNAP (food stamps) instead of simply forcing food providers to serve the poor at little or no cost?
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As I already pointed out to you, and you ignored, universal healthcare is dramatically cheaper than our system.
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So the real question is, if providing universal care is cheaper for the country as a whole, why would you let people die to pay more? This really has to do with your hard line beliefs and not actual facts or economics.
It's easy for you to sit back on your parents insurance and whine about the "takers" when you've never worked a day in your life. Please grow up and mature.
What could be dramatically cheaper than "free" Medicaid or ER care? Does a non-poor German pay more or less taxes than a non-poor American?
It's the first step towards universal health care.
If its a private institution uncompensated by anyone, I agree with Luftwaffe, its their call as to what they wish to do. As far as empathy goes if I don't know why should I care about you? Hell even if I did know you why should I care about you?
Starvation is not an immediate need. Emergency care is. A person that goes to apply for SNAP assistance is not at the point of mal-nourishment as to be life threatening.
If a person were so emaciated to be a health problem...they would not be taken by paramedics to HHS to apply for SNAP or a private soup kitchen for help.
Likewise, A person going to an Emergency room for an illness, they by law must triage the person to assess the severity of the illness. If the person can be moved [or sent] to a county hospital...they have complied with the law.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm not convinced by that, because of the way the health care system is splintered by Private entities and HMO's there's simply no way to make that work, what are you going to do, nationalize all the hospitals?
I'm not convinced by that, because of the way the health care system is splintered by Private entities and HMO's there's simply no way to make that work, what are you going to do, nationalize all the hospitals?
That's a possibility, who runs all of the air traffic control in the USA?
There's no precedence for large scale nationalization such as what you're suggesting.
Other more civilized nations in the world that did UHC, did so because they had no real system to start with, neither did America mind you but it's too late to suddenly switch now that you've gone down this very dark path.
No, it isn't too late and I predict that the USA will have universal health care eventually. Wait and see.
i don't doubt it.....which will be a helping factor in america's downfall.
How is taking care of our own people something that can be turned into a negative?
How is taking care of our own people something that can be turned into a negative?
Same old same old ****. Try something new for your upstairs smack.
I painted my house and all of our rental houses. I installed the insulation in my house. I mulched our garden, I weeded our garden, I trimmed our hedges, I cleaned the septic back-ups that flooded the basements of our rental houses, I cleaned the water damage, and I've done so much more.
You don't know me.
Besides, this summer I'll be getting a part time job.
And you know what?
When I go into the work force full time my opinion is going to stay exactly the same. If you need health care, pay for it yourself instead of taking from others. That is because I don't believe in leeching like you do.
1....government is not here to take care of people, its here to secure rights of people.
if government has the power to take care of you...IT has the power of control over you.
2...to institute a national system would require new revenue....government is already spending money it does not have..... creating deficits.
where will the revenue come from?...continuing to tax the people to pay for more and more government will only cause the economy to fail.
government is a creator of debt, it is not a creator of wealth.
Do you think the poor have a right to life, and therefore emergency medical care?
If they can afford it. If not, it should be the hospital's call. This should be the same for every case, if they can't afford hilariously expensive treatment to stay alive they shouldn't get it.
A hospital had to ****ing keep an anancephalic baby alive for as long as possible because the ****ing parents said so. People need to pay for their ****, I don't care what it is.
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****ing bull**** if you ask me. I can care less who you are and the sanctity blah. Pay for the service you use, that is what responsible human beings should do.
If the hopsital wants to provide their service free of charge then fine, otherwise, pay up.
It would require LESS revenue, as is the case in every first world nation with national healthcare, all of which pay dramatically less than we do.
It blows my mind that so called fiscal conservatives would advocate for a system that costs MORE.
The care is an emergency but the provider is virtually forced to add that cost to the bills of its other patients, while the SNAP cost is born by a carefully selected subset of the population (the taxpayers). You only address whether the cost of ER service should be required in advance, not why it should be born by the provider and passed on to others as the provider sees fit rather than paid using a progressive (and quite selective) means.
you are saying if the government instituted a new program, it going to cost government less money then government is currently spending right now?
Yes, as was the case in every first world nation that's implemented universal healthcare, or some version of it. Are you saying that the government can never, ever, ever make a change that would make our healthcare system cost less?
Do you think our healthcare system is perfect and super affordable?
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