Should Hamas be allowed to exist?

[Apocalypse]

I doubt that. Do you think that Israel should occupy Gaza and control the government?

Not for long, there already should be decisions made on what comes after Hamas and Islamic Jihad are eradicated.

 

[Spock]

Not for long, there already should be decisions made on what comes after Hamas and Islamic Jihad are eradicated.

How will the anti-Israel ideology be eliminated?

 

[Apocalypse]

How will the anti-Israel ideology be eliminated?

That cannot be eliminated just like an antisemitic ideology cannot be eliminated.
Hamas needs to be eradicated.

 

[Spock]

That cannot be eliminated just like an antisemitic ideology cannot be eliminated.
Hamas needs to be eradicated.

Hamas or equivalent will return.

 

[iguanaman]

Hamas or equivalent will return.

So you think the Palestinians will never get a homeland? That they are doomed to be pawns who exist only as hostages of radical religious murderers forever? That is a sad fate.

 

[Spock]

So you think the Palestinians will never get a homeland? That they are doomed to be pawns who exist only as hostages of radical religious murderers forever? That is a sad fate.

I think it is a violence and failure cycle that is easier to continue than to break.
Peace efforts fail from extremist violence that promotes a violent retribution that reduces or undoes peace compromises which produces more violence.
Israel will need to tolerate some terrorism by extremists without over-reacting and that is not part of the RW Israeli playbook.

 

[Cope]

Why does Israel need to exist? What was the reason to make a Jewish State there in 1948?
It hadn't existed for about 2000 yrs.

This is confusing how anyone can hold this view.

How does any State/Country deserve to exist?
They can hold the land, and in this case, they can take and control more.

They are an ally of the US, and they will get supported in the case of war (if they need)

Those are reasons enough

 

[Cope]

Hamas or equivalent will return.

It doesn't need to as a governing body.

Make it very clear that no acceptance of any government will have the removal and annihilation of the Jewish state as a goal.

 

[Spock]

It doesn't need to as a governing body.

Make it very clear that no acceptance of any government will have the removal and annihilation of the Jewish state as a goal.

Thought control is unlikely to occur.

 

[post]

... or is Israel justified in rooting it out, no matter the cost? (As had to be done with Nazi Germany).

I'm at the point now where I think eliminating Hamas is morally justified, even at the tremendous cost of life it will surely require.

Actually, you are triggered... you don't even have a firm grasp of the facts, but you are quite satisfied with the propaganda job
you cooperated in being carried out against you.

Should the native Americans have been exterminated? How about the founding Israeli terrorists?

https://www.businessinsider.com › biden-pictures-terrorists-beheading-children-white-house-2023-10?op=1

The White House is walking back Biden's statement that he saw ...​

6 days ago The White House is walking back Biden's statement that he saw photographic evidence of beheaded children. Sarah Gray , Erin Snodgrass, and Joshua Zitser. Left: Israeli soldiers removing civilian ...

 

[Cope]

Thought control is unlikely to occur.

I'm not asking them to not have that thought, but as soon as it is said, as soon as it is acted upon.

"no acceptance of any government will have the removal and annihilation of the Jewish state as a goal."

Removal will occur.

 

[lwf]

Hamas or equivalent will return.

Then once Hamas has been eradicated from Gaza, Israel should enjoy a post-Hamas world while it lasts and do whatever they can lawfully do to delay it's return for as long as possible.

 

[post]

I'm not asking them to not have that thought, but as soon as it is said, as soon as it is acted upon.

"no acceptance of any government will have the removal and annihilation of the Jewish state as a goal."

Removal will occur.

Get a grip!



Why didn't "removal occur" after,

Menachem Begin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"...Before the creation of the state of Israel, he was the leader of the Zionist militant group Irgun, the Revisionist breakaway from the larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah. He proclaimed a revolt, on 1 February 1944, against the British mandatory government, which was opposed by the Jewish Agency. As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine.[3] ..
...
Begin ordered an attack on the British military and administrative headquarters at the King David Hotel following a request from the Haganah, although the Haganah's permission was later rescinded. The King David Hotel bombing resulted in the destruction of the building's southern wing, and 91 people, mostly British, Arabs, and Jews, were killed.

The fragile partnership collapsed following the bombing, partly because contrary to instructions, it was carried out during the busiest part of the day at the hotel. The Haganah, from then on, would rarely mount attacks against British forces and would focus mainly on the Aliyah Bet illegal immigration campaign, and while it occasionally took half-hearted measures against the Irgun, it never returned to full-scale collaboration with the British. The Irgun and Lehi continued waging a full-scale insurgency against the British, and together with the Haganah's illegal immigration campaign, this forced a large commitment of British forces to Palestine that was gradually sapping British financial resources. Three particular Irgun operations directly ordered by Begin: the Night of the Beatings, the Acre Prison break, and the Sergeants affair, were cited as particularly influencing the British to leave due to the great loss of British prestige and growing public opposition to Britain remaining in Palestine at home they generated. In September 1947, the British cabinet voted to leave Palestine, and in November of that year, the United Nations approved a resolution to partition the country between Arabs and Jews..."

 

[dairyair]

I know Palestinians have been where to with Israels however Currently it's a Jewish State which needs to respected.

No. It does not.

 

[dairyair]

This is confusing how anyone can hold this view.

How does any State/Country deserve to exist?
They can hold the land, and in this case, they can take and control more.

They are an ally of the US, and they will get supported in the case of war (if they need)

Those are reasons enough

Why?
On all your points.

 

[post]

This is confusing how anyone can hold this view.

How does any State/Country deserve to exist?
They can hold the land, and in this case, they can take and control more.

They are an ally of the US, and they will get supported in the case of war (if they need)

Those are reasons enough

Examples, please, of how Israel is

an ally of the US,

..vs. an ally of merely the G.O.P.? Congress gifted Israel $4.8 billion in 2022. What did the U.S. receive in return?

Why Israel still refuses to give military aid to Ukraine​

Le Monde.fr
https://www.lemonde.fr › International › Israel
May 15, 2023 — No Ukrainian has refugee status in Israel, which has also granted nationality to some 15,000 Ukrainian Jews who immigrated in 2022 as part of ...

Why Israel Became A Safe Haven For Russian Billionaires​

Forbes
https://www.forbes.com › jemimamcevoy › 2022/04/28
Apr 28, 2022 — According to Forbes' research, more than 40% of the 111 Russian-born billionaires have at least one other passport (6% have two or more).

Pegasus (spyware)​

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Pegasus_(spyware)
Pegasus is spyware developed by the Israeli cyber-arms company NSO Group that is designed to be covertly and remotely installed on mobile phones running iOS ...

‎NSO Group · ‎Pegasus Project (investigation) · ‎Pegasus Project revelations in...

Apple releases major security update to counter Israeli firm ...​

The Times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com › apple-pushes-out-sign...
Sep 8, 2023 — Pegasus is an expensive tool typically used to target dissidents, journalists and political opponents, so ordinary users likely have little to ...

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Jonathan_Pollard
In 1990, Israel reportedly considered offering to release Yosef Amit, an Israeli military intelligence officer serving a 12-year sentence for spying for the ...
‎Espionage · ‎Trial · ‎Israeli efforts to secure Pollard... · ‎Official reactions and public...

Pollard defends spying on US for Israel in rare interview​

AP News
https://apnews.com › article › israel-jonathan-pollard-e...
Mar 22, 2021 — JERUSALEM (AP) — Jonathan Pollard, an American who served a 30-year sentence for spying for Israel, defends his actions in his first interview ...

Trump pardons Israeli officer who enlisted spy Pollard​

AP News
https://apnews.com › article › donald-trump-israel-jon...
Jan 20, 2021 — JERUSALEM (AP) — President Donald Trump on Wednesday granted a full pardon to Aviem Sella, the handler of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard ...

Jonathan Pollard Was One of the Most Damaging Spies in ...​

Military.com
https://www.military.com › history › jonathan-pollard-...
Jonathan Pollard Was One of the Most Damaging Spies in US History ... Convicted spy Jonathan Pollard enters federal court with his wife. ... When Jonathan Pollard ...

 

[AndyWGL23]

No. It does not.

Your failing to understand Jews are 1st Nations people who right to have their own state needs to be respected.

Your point makes non sense lot of Countries didn't exist until recent times, including Australia, U.S and other European countries.

 

[uptower]

Not if it carries on this way. If it learns to become more moderate like the PLO then the option is on the table.

But let's face it, this latest scrap won't destroy Hamas. It will still have support form everyday gazans who feel oppressed. At some point the two sides will have to talk.

 

[AndyWGL23]

Israel is the only country in the world who gives warning before Bombings.

IDF is trying to get people out of a war zone while Hamas keeps telling people to stay. so it's clear who's causing deaths Hamas all 3000 people are Hamas Fault.

 

[Cope]

Why?
On all your points.

Why can they take and control the land?

Might.

 

[dairyair]

Your failing to understand Jews are 1st Nations people who right to have their own state needs to be respected.

Your point makes non sense lot of Countries didn't exist until recent times, including Australia, U.S and other European countries.

How are they a 1st Nations people?

...
The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bce occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century ce in “Syria Palaestina,” designating the southern portion of the province of Syria, and made its way thence into Arabic, where it has been used to describe the region at least since the early Islamic era.

Palestine | History, People, Conflict, & Religion | Britannica

Palestine is the region of Southwest Asia along the eastern Mediterranean that is generally regarded as consisting of the southern coastal area between Egypt and Tyre.

www.britannica.com

 

[AndyWGL23]

How are they a 1st Nations people?

...
The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bce occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza. The name was revived by the Romans in the 2nd century ce in “Syria Palaestina,” designating the southern portion of the province of Syria, and made its way thence into Arabic, where it has been used to describe the region at least since the early Islamic era.

Palestine | History, People, Conflict, & Religion | Britannica

Palestine is the region of Southwest Asia along the eastern Mediterranean that is generally regarded as consisting of the southern coastal area between Egypt and Tyre.

www.britannica.com

The Historical Presence of Jews in the Land of Israel - BJE

Jews have lived in the land of Israel for nearly 4000 years, going back to the period of the Biblical patriarchs (c.1900 BCE). The story of the Jewish people,

bje.org.au

Read and learn it's Jewish land long before even jesus was born and long before Palestinians come over 4000 years!.

12th Century! The Jewish was where way before that timeline, 1900BCE Biblical Patriarch era.

Jewish might have been destroyed many times 17-18 they was always where in Israel

 

[dairyair]

The Historical Presence of Jews in the Land of Israel - BJE

Jews have lived in the land of Israel for nearly 4000 years, going back to the period of the Biblical patriarchs (c.1900 BCE). The story of the Jewish people,

bje.org.au

Read and learn it's Jewish land long before even jesus was born and long before Palestinians come over 4000 years!.

12th Century! The Jewish was where way before that timeline, 1900BCE Biblical Patriarch era.

Jewish might have been destroyed many times 17-18 they was always where in Israel

A land called Israel was out of existence for almost 2000 yrs.

And was called Philistia during the so called time that Hewbrews were learning about themselves.

https://i.redd.it/n6hcx2l3uqd61.jpg

www.reddit.com

 

[AndyWGL23]

A land called Israel was out of existence for almost 2000 yrs.

And was called Philistia during the so called time that Hewbrews were learning about themselves.
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https://i.redd.it/n6hcx2l3uqd61.jpg

www.reddit.com

It's not about that land was called during specific time you got from reddit post .

It's about who was in Israel longer and first which is clearly the Jewish as I shown you in the link 4000 years.

Just because land isn't called Israel 2000 years doesn't mean where wasn't Jewish people living in it.

Your whole argument is the country wasn't called Israel! Missing the point of land rights which Is It's Jewish land.

 

[dairyair]

It's not about that land was called during specific time you got from reddit post .

It's about who was in Israel longer and first which is clearly the Jewish as I shown you in the link 4000 years.

Just because land isn't called Israel 2000 years doesn't mean where wasn't Jewish people living in it.

Your whole argument is the country wasn't called Israel! Missing the point of land rights which Is It's Jewish land.

Palestinians/Philistines, were living there just as long.
And most of the previous 2000 yrs was peaceful compared to today and making that state called Israel.
It was a big mistake. Should have just left it as it was.

What purpose was there to making a Jewish state? When it wasn't needed.
There's not been peace since that day.