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Should female-to-male transgenders be forced to compete against biological males in all sports?

Should female-to-male transgenders be forced to compete against biological males in all sports? Why?


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Explain your position.
 

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Good question.

I can only say: One man's owl is the other man's nightingale.
 

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This one is tricky.

Because they are biologically female, they CAN compete against men if they qualify to do so….they hold no natural advantage because biological men are bigger, stronger, etc than biological women.

Just like biological women that qualify to make it into men’s sports teams….I think it would be rare.

But, if they are taking testosterone - they may be no longer able to participate in women’s sports either.

Kind of sucks for them - but taking testosterone to transition from female to male would give them an unfair advantage over biological women….so the only place they *could* compete is men’s sports.
 
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Explain your position.
Men should not be allowed to compete in women’s leagues.

People taking performance enhancing drugs should not be allowed to compete at all.
 

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Be "forced"? Who is "forcing" them? The state?

I'm of the opinion that transgenders should compete in the gender category with which they identify. I also believe that every sports league should figure out their own damn rules on this issue without the government stepping in to play chaperone by specifically barring people from competing by law, or "forcing" anyone to compete in a category they don't want to compete in in contravention of the rules that league or governing body has decided for itself.
 

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Men should not be allowed to compete in women’s leagues.

People taking performance enhancing drugs should not be allowed to compete at all.
It looks you're trying to talk about men-to-women transgenders. This is not that thread.
 

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Be "forced"? Who is "forcing" them? The state?

I'm of the opinion that transgenders should compete in the gender category with which they identify. I also believe that every sports league should figure out their own damn rules on this issue without the government stepping in to play chaperone by specifically barring people from competing by law, or "forcing" anyone to compete in a category they don't want to compete in in contravention of the rules that league or governing body has decided for itself.
It would called a rule.
 

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Fox has been on about it a lot lately.


I wonder if that's why this thread exists. :unsure: Probably way more on the TV, so anchors can say some of the words with big wide "I'm scared" eyes.
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At any rate, it is hopelessly stupid in its simplistic nature, start from the braznely loaded poll question to the fact that he could only think of a "yes" and "no" answer. That a third or so of Americans consider this political thought is why democracy is screwed...

It's a complicated issue, not a dumbass poll question. And DP seems to have at least two new threads on it per day.
 

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Explain your position.
this is way too early. We just don't have any solid data on the scope or pervasive nature of this problem. We have anecdotes and a theory. Each sport or sporting organisation facing this problem will have different concerns and disparate but sensitive policy decisions to make. The impact of a few transgender athletes ( or possibly a lot) will be different in golf, than it will in track, which will be different in tennis, than in baseball or equine polo tournaments or ice skating. How much brute strength and speed matter compared to kinetic or dynamic balance, hand eye coordination, flexibility,agility, or mental and emotional stability and strength will be very different. How much benefit those hormones will be, will also be very different. How popular these different sports will be among transgender athletes remains to be seen.

My point is the best place to start this is to wait until those organizations who's job it is to represent athletes in their own membership have weighed in. Let the Women's Sports Foundation, Women's National Basketball Assoc. Women's Tennis Assoc, Professional Women’s Hockey Players’ Association, National Intercollegiate Athletics etc take the lead here based on the what they see as then priorities of their members and twin duties to protect them from unfair competition, and to protect minorities within their ranks including transgender members from undue discrimination.

Let them to the heavy lifting after they have the information they need on how big a problem this will be in their own sports, or to their own constituant interests, and if their policy proposals are not sufficient, maybe then there will be a need for govt regulation.
 

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this is way too early. We just don't have any solid data on the scope or pervasive nature of this problem. We have anecdotes and a theory. Each sport or sporting organisation facing this problem will have different concerns and disparate but sensitive policy decisions to make. The impact of a few transgender athletes ( or possibly a lot) will be different in golf, than it will in track, which will be different in tennis, than in baseball or equine polo tournaments or ice skating. How much brute strength and speed matter compared to kinetic or dynamic balance, hand eye coordination, flexibility,agility, or mental and emotional stability and strength will be very different. How much benefit those hormones will be, will also be very different. How popular these different sports will be among transgender athletes remains to be seen.

My point is the best place to start this is to wait until those organizations who's job it is to represent athletes in their own membership have weighed in. Let the Women's Sports Foundation, Women's National Basketball Assoc. Women's Tennis Assoc, Professional Women’s Hockey Players’ Association, National Intercollegiate Athletics etc take the lead here based on the what they see as then priorities of their members and twin duties to protect them from unfair competition, and to protect minorities within their ranks including transgender members from undue discrimination.

Let them to the heavy lifting after they have the information they need on how big a problem this will be in their own sports, or to their own constituant interests, and if their policy proposals are not sufficient, maybe then there will be a need for govt regulation.
I was talking about female-to-male athletes. :unsure:
 

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I was talking about female-to-male athletes. :unsure:
Oops. Doesn't really matter. The less govt involves itself in regulating sports, the better. Lets see what sporting organisations advocate for and lobby for and see if they wantgovt to take a roll. Let them take the lead.
 

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Not simply a yes or no question.
Is this transgender person receiving hormone therapy?
If so the effects of that usually take 18 to 24 months. At that point muscle tissue is changing and developing that could allow them to compete with born males. The same would apply to males transgendering to female.
So if you are asking about any athletic competitive advantage a transgender person might have then perhaps that 18 to 24 month period should be used before they are allowed to compete and their hormone levels tested to make sure there is not a competitive advantage.
 

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A trans man must compete in the men's division once he has started testosterone, which is a performance enhancing drug. Before that, he is free to compete in either the women's or men's division because he will not have an inherent biological advantage.
 

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Not simply a yes or no question.
Is this transgender person receiving hormone therapy?
If so the effects of that usually take 18 to 24 months. At that point muscle tissue is changing and developing that could allow them to compete with born males. The same would apply to males transgendering to female.
So if you are asking about any athletic competitive advantage a transgender person might have then perhaps that 18 to 24 month period should be used before they are allowed to compete and their hormone levels tested to make sure there is not a competitive advantage.

And we are going to ignore all the other advantages the male to female retains?

Why?
 

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And we are going to ignore all the other advantages the male to female retains?

Why?
Advantages such as?
Transgender is a rather umbrella term.
Are they males who have had the surgery and hormone therapy to become female?
Should they be allowed to compete in athletic events as a female? Yes, after a period of time and testing.
Or are they males who identify as female but have had no surgery and no hormonal therapy?
Should they be allowed to compete in athletic events as a female? No, here there would be undo physical advantages.
There would be huge differences between the two.
 
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If you are born male, compete athletically against other males only. Same goes for females. Compete only against the gender one is born with.
 

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There should be a transgender league that they all can compete together against each other !
 

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Another question:​

Should normal females be forced to compete against female-to-male transgenders in all sports?​

 

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I will now start another poll with this.
 
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