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Should Evolution Be Taught In Schools?

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alphieb said:
RROVE YOUR FACTS PLEASE, EVEN THOUGH SCIENTIST CANNOT EVEN PROVE IT....GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR ''THEORY"

Hmm, facts like the fossil record? Like the fact that scientists have witnessed evolution in action? The facts stated on the links Demotheses posted, which I will not bother to reprint? Why don't you go check those websites out?

Duke
 
alphieb said:
ONCE AGAIN I DID NOT SAY THEY WERE FAKE, BUT POSSIBLY MISUNDERSTOOD FOR SOMETHING ELSE.


Oh, so when you said "hoaxes" you meant misunderstood. :roll:


"Look at this! These are not really bones of dinosaurs, they are just strangly shaped granite! These identical forms of granite, buried underneath tons of earth, have been found all over the planet! Amazing!"


Duke
 
steen said:
I can not believe you. You MUST be lying. Because just about every claim you have made of biology and of science have been outright FALSE! So that leaves ONLY the conclusion that you are deliberately lying.
Yes, they do.
Yes, they do. But then, you obviously don't even know WHAT Evolution actually is (Despite the fiction you spewed about having a biology background).
Science has. That is how it became a Scientific Theory. Why must you be so deceptive and misleading? Can you at all post without being dishonest, or MUST you bear false witness every time you post here?
NITWIT

It is called the SCIENTIFIC Theory of Evolution, and is named so because it was generated through the Scientific Method, and hence it very much is science.
MUST YOU ALWAYS LIE?
Are you ANYTHING else than a lying scumbag idiot? Certainly, your posting here indicates that you are exactly that!

(****!!! I hate such lying creep that spew ignorant lie after ignorant lie about science and then claim to have science background)


I honestly have observed that you simply have mental problems. Are you on any medication for that? Haldol might be a wise choice. "How are we closely related to the pig"? Look it up smarty pants. You are taking this WAY TOO SERIOUS....It is just a debate. Grow up. Whether I believe in evolution or not is simply my choice. Do you have interpersonal problems with everyone that disagrees with?
 
Steen,

I kind enjoy your angry behavior, it makes me feel as if I'm winning this debate. Otherwise, why the emotional outburst......tsk....tsk....tsk.

Evolution:

THEORY OF DEVELOPMENT FROM EARLIER FORMS: I don't believe.

BIOLOGY THE THEORETICAL PROCESS BY WHICH ALL SPECIES DEVELOP FROM EARLIER FORMS OF LIVE: prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
alphieb said:
I honestly have observed that you simply have mental problems. Are you on any medication for that? Haldol might be a wise choice. "How are we closely related to the pig"? Look it up smarty pants. You are taking this WAY TOO SERIOUS....It is just a debate. Grow up. Whether I believe in evolution or not is simply my choice. Do you have interpersonal problems with everyone that disagrees with?

Humans are not CLOSLY related to the pig, if you discount Rush Limbaugh. However, humans are closely related to the ape, which are closly related to quadrupeds, which are closely realated to the pig.


Duke
 
You also asked "what does all species being a like have to do with digesting food?" Are you serious about that question? You absolutely have no biological background if your asking that. However, I will explain it to you.

First of all you must understand organic chemistry. Organic compounds are vital to live itself in all species. Organic compounds are proteins, carbs, enzymes (which digest our food) and hormones. Organic chem. is compounds containing hydrogen and carbon. Our enzymes in nature are chemically compounded to react with other organic chemicals so they can be broken down. Digestion starts in the mouth with carbs only. Proteins are more complex and take more chemical process's. If we introduce something Inorganic in our bodies they cannot be digested. I did not know I had to spell this out for you STEEN. That is "what it has to do with anything" Anymore questions? I could elaborate more if you would like.
 
steen said:
You are LYING again. "The loch ness monster" is not a Scientific Theory. Stop making such stupid lying claims.

Sure it SUGGEST just that.
Meaning what, exactly? Certainly, there are living things out there that we can't digest. Try eating a tree. What an idiotic claim.
Ah, but they are. All the time.
Are you so dumb as believing that an entire Biological CLASS should turn back to something it was 100 mill years ago when the environment and fauna was entirely different? NOTHING in the Scientific Theory of Evolution even hints that this should occur, so once again are you spewing ignorant, blabbering nonsense showing your almost stupid ignorance.

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I could care less if you believe I'm a nurse or not. I noticed you did not even post your occupation on your profile. You are probably unemployed. You definately lack some intelligence or you would not be calling names like your in kindergarten.
 
STEEN

Bark is actually made out of sap (edible) trees produce fruits (EDIBLE). You are extremely low class and show that by your responses with your trashy insults. Your parents did a great job raising you. YOU DISPLAY EXTREME LOW INTELLECT. WHAT IS YOUR IQ 85?

TO ALL,

"Should evoution be taught in school" ?

My son goes to a private catholic school (good thing he has that advantage that most don't and that my family and I have the means to pay tuition).
Anyway, they are way AHEAD OF THE GAME ON EDUCATION compared to public schools. He is learning Spanish in kindergarten. They are already reading, adding and subtracting. THEY DO NOT TEACH EVOLUTION. The SAT scores blow the public school's scores away. TAH....TAH.
 
OnionCollection said:
But the catholic church accepts evolution doesn't it?

Some do and some don't, it just depends on the particular church.
 
Mutations:

Mutations are changes in the base sequence (I already posted this once but everyone is oblivious to it). These changes alter info. through transcription. This causes problems during protein synthesis. Usually this has profound effects on an organism (negative).

Mutagens, aka UV rays, harsh chemicals can cause adverse defects. This can damage DNA. Luckily our bodies have repair enzymes that can repair altered bases.

Viruses mutate easily without adverse effects because they do not contain nucleotides, enzymes, amino acids etc....... Totally different story from complex species. Have anymore questions anyone???????????????????? Or is this WAY over your head?
 
steen said:
Well, generally because it is almost the same as what we see in the parents. And it is a bit more different than what we would find in the grand parents. And more different yet than what we find in the great-grandparents. In fact, for every generation we are removed from the other DNA source, there is a little bit more difference in the DNA, a difference that is quite constant and predictable under environmental stability.

That, of course, also means that if a species is closely related to us, its DNA will be more similar to ours than if the species is evolutionary MORE removed from us.

And THAT proves that we are closely related with apes, much more than, f.ex. the pig.

Thanks for disproving your own earlier lie.
Well, unfortunately for you, I just did look it up. And your lie is disproved

But it is not surprising that we see creationists spew a lie and then insist that others check the accuracy of the lie. It is a common, very dishonest tactic by creationist liars, of which you clearly are showing to be one by now.
The claim is yours, so YOU are the one who need to prove it. Not that I should expect you to be so honest an un-hypocritical as to actually do so; backing up your claims with evidence.

But then, you really can't, as there is no evidence for your claims. After all, they are all false.
You seem to not have done so, or you wouldn't be so ignorant of even basic science or basic biology.

That is, unless you now deliberately are lying about this science.

What an unfortunate dichotomy. Either you are incredibly ignorant, or you are incredibly ignorant.

(Or worse yet, you are both!)

If you are a physician, why in the hell would you have to look up mtDNA? Shouldn't you already know that. I worked as a CNA during nursing school. If you would like I shall give you my license # look it up on the IN state board. I truly don't believe your a physician.
 
Who cares, I'm not interested in your link it is just another bogus bullshit
So, you don't know what evolution is, and you refuse to learn. Why the He!! should we debate anything with you that you refuse to research?

Only an idiot would portray themself as a genious.....try to be alittle humbel
Why don't you try to spell! You must resort to irrelevant comments because you know almost nothing about evolution, all you know is that it is scares you, so you want to fight it.

I'm not suggesting they are conspiracies, but something may resemble something it is not. I'm not saying all fossils are hoaxes, but some may be
You're falling apart. How does your post mean anything with out any definite points, evidence, or examples? "maybe, maybe not, BUT MAYBE!" How wonderfully productive.

Thank for your wonderful post, that tells us... nothing.

No, I'm not that sensitive, but they are not FACTS
You mean like your posts?

ONCE AGAIN I DID NOT SAY THEY WERE FAKE, BUT POSSIBLY MISUNDERSTOOD FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
As a matter of fact you said that all fossils were hoaxes.

Further, what fossils misunderstood for what? Do you know that there is no actual content in this post?

RROVE YOUR FACTS PLEASE, EVEN THOUGH SCIENTIST CANNOT EVEN PROVE IT....GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR ''THEORY"
IF WE TRY YOU WON'T FREAKING READ IT ANYWAY!!

Those of us who are religious and yet excel in biology can do so because we can separate science from religion. Religion is based on feeling, not fact. Science is based of fact. If you can't step back and look at facts, then you can never understand evolution, or any other complicated science.
 
Australianlibertarian said:
Evolution should be taught in schools.

Even if it is a theory, Science is based on theories, that eventually become scientific laws if they are correct.

Science is all about understanding, therefore we should not ban subjects just because it is not fully known.

As for evolution it is not an atheist theory. I agree that it is used by atheists to justify their beliefs, but evolution itself doesn't actually say that there is no god. What it does point to is that if god exists, then he did not intervene after the big bang.

This is the part that challenges religion, because it puts into doubt everything that is written in the bible or torah, that is what creationists find so dangerous about evolution.

As for the intelligent design proponents. A common claim is that the Universe is so complex, that only a higher being could have created this universe. Fair enough.

But if the Universe is so complex, why does one of god's greatest achievements, feature so scantly and simplistically in the bible? If the bible is of devine origin, why does it not contain any of the physical principle's that govern god's universe?

Thank You,

That was very well written
 
alphieb said:
Thank You,

That was very well written

As for the intelligent design proponents. A common claim is that the Universe is so complex, that only a higher being could have created this universe. Fair enough.

great. Just don't put that claim in science classes.
 
steen said:
I can not believe you. You MUST be lying. Because just about every claim you have made of biology and of science have been outright FALSE! So that leaves ONLY the conclusion that you are deliberately lying.
Yes, they do.
Yes, they do. But then, you obviously don't even know WHAT Evolution actually is (Despite the fiction you spewed about having a biology background).
Science has. That is how it became a Scientific Theory. Why must you be so deceptive and misleading? Can you at all post without being dishonest, or MUST you bear false witness every time you post here?
NITWIT

It is called the SCIENTIFIC Theory of Evolution, and is named so because it was generated through the Scientific Method, and hence it very much is science.
MUST YOU ALWAYS LIE?
Are you ANYTHING else than a lying scumbag idiot? Certainly, your posting here indicates that you are exactly that!

(****!!! I hate such lying creep that spew ignorant lie after ignorant lie about science and then claim to have science background)
Mod Note

Let's keep the personal attacks out of this forum. Feel free to open a thread in the basement if you need to vent.

/Mod Note.
 
alphieb said:
What are you smoking/crack.......?
A fetal heart beat can be detected 18 days after conception. A fetal brain can be detected 3 weeks after conception. How many tumors have brains and a heart beat and grow limbs?


Brain tumors??



:mrgreen:
 
steen said:
You are LYING again. "The loch ness monster" is not a Scientific Theory. Stop making such stupid lying claims.

Sure it SUGGEST just that.
Meaning what, exactly? Certainly, there are living things out there that we can't digest. Try eating a tree. What an idiotic claim.
Ah, but they are. All the time.
Are you so dumb as believing that an entire Biological CLASS should turn back to something it was 100 mill years ago when the environment and fauna was entirely different? NOTHING in the Scientific Theory of Evolution even hints that this should occur, so once again are you spewing ignorant, blabbering nonsense showing your almost stupid ignorance.

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Steen,

for the LOVE OF GOD man! LISTEN to yourself. Listen to how RIDICULOUS your arguments are?? Evolution is FACT. It is a theory that as a model has been PROVEN to be so. Mutation is EVOLUTION, and we are evolving RIGHT NOW! Don't try to discredit THOUSANDS of years of SCIENCE because you have this undying faith in a giant puppet in SPACE.

Are you MENTAL!?
 
sissy-boy said:

Steen,

for the LOVE OF GOD man! LISTEN to yourself. Listen to how RIDICULOUS your arguments are?? Evolution is FACT. It is a theory that as a model has been PROVEN to be so. Mutation is EVOLUTION, and we are evolving RIGHT NOW! Don't try to discredit THOUSANDS of years of SCIENCE because you have this undying faith in a giant puppet in SPACE.

Are you MENTAL!?

No I'm not mental, you are.....I'm done with this thread. I shall further ignore your arguments. BYE, BYE
 
alphieb said:
No I'm not mental, you are.....I'm done with this thread. I shall further ignore your arguments. BYE, BYE



Well at least you're not a sore loser.

I'm glad that you have at least the courage to move on to something else when you've been proved wrong.

Thanks!
 
alphieb said:
Mutations:

Mutations are changes in the base sequence (I already posted this once but everyone is oblivious to it). These changes alter info. through transcription. This causes problems during protein synthesis. Usually this has profound effects on an organism (negative).

Mutagens, aka UV rays, harsh chemicals can cause adverse defects. This can damage DNA. Luckily our bodies have repair enzymes that can repair altered bases.

Viruses mutate easily without adverse effects because they do not contain nucleotides, enzymes, amino acids etc....... Totally different story from complex species. Have anymore questions anyone???????????????????? Or is this WAY over your head?


You have no clue what you are talking about. I highly suggest you read those links that were posted earlier.


Duke
 
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