Should Evolution Be Taught In Schools?

[Duke]

How do you propose it be explained in science classes?

With the facts, just like everything else.

Duke

 

[steen]

New genes cannot develop, they can only change in sequence you idiot.

Genes do mutate and duplicate, thus developing new genes, you idiot.

Sheesh, don't you know ANYTHING?

Was it you who calimed a background in biology? I hope not, as this is clear evidence that you must have lied.

DNA is made up of nucleic acids ATGC an U. The sequence of these acids is what makes us unique. ATGC
TACG

together these acids form a polypeptide bond (rna) included. These bonds make up a chromosome. What is NEW GENES? You make no sense.

Oh, crap. That is the same as saying that no new words can be made because they are all made up of the same alphabet. That's just plain stupid.

 

[Duke]

No I'm not mental, you are.....I'm done with this thread. I shall further ignore your arguments. BYE, BYE

Just as I predicted. Can't even accept facts, much less defeat, leaves in a huff.
Bye-Bye, Alphieb. It was good while it lasted.:2razz:

Man, I have not had that much fun since I debated with Aryan Imperium!

Duke

 

[steen]

Mutations are usually not favorable to ones environment

Usually, they have no impact whatsoever.

and are not passed on to offspring.

Germn-cell mutations certainly are.

How did giraffes survive if they didn't already maintain a long neck in the first place?

Huh? Why not? Are you saying that it didn't happen because you can't see how it occured? That if you are ignorant of something, then it couldn't have happened? In addition to be narcissistic, that would be a downright stupid argument.

What is it that couldn't happen here? Could you please explain what you actually mean instead of providing stupid little "because I say so" sayings?

Those genes favorable to the environment already existed or they would not have survived in the first place.

Or they mutated and the mutation was favorable. Take a look at the nylon-digesting bacteria. 100 years ago, nylon didn't exist, so the gene didn't either or they would have starved. Then suddenly in a waste pool with nylon waste, some lactose-digesting bacteria start digesting nylon instead. That is a NEW gene:
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm

Fossil records do very little to support evolution.

Again, a lying "because I say so" falsehood. The fossils do indeed show a progression from species to species and even from order and class to order and class. The phylogeny is supported by the fossil record, even if you decide to lie and claim that it doesn't. (Notably without any actual evidence beyond your "because I say so" silly postulation, showing that you are incredibly clueless about evidence.;

Nobody can prove that evolution is what created us. People are brainwashed this in school.

"prove"? Hmm, so what yo7u are saying here is that you wanted to show us how ignorant you are even of the most basic concepts in science; that you are utterly ignorant of just about EVERYTHING in these discussions?

Yeah, OK. Not that we are surprised.

 

[steen]

Please do.......Like I posted earlier an example of mutations in humans is tumors. Do mothers or fathers pass their cancer cells on to their offspring?

But it is not a germ-cell mutation. And yes, some germ-cell mutations results in tumors of the individual AND the offspring. The BRCA2 gene mutation has caused an inheritable form of breast cancer, just to mention one that there is a lot of research on.

SO now that you know that you are wrong, perhaps you can stop that stupid claim and go back to some of your other stupid claims until we have shown the falsehood in all of your stupid, false claims.

 

[steen]

"New genes" do not just mysteriouly appear in humans (aside from cancer)....that is what I was suggesting.

And your "suggestion" is false. Lots of changes AND new genes occur in humnas. Again, the BRCA2 is an example. So is the Sicle-Cell mutation, 40% of which are de-novo. So 15% of all genes resulting in lipid-storage diseases. And, of course, a good number of the mutations in the gene responsible for producing the insulin proteins are de-novo as well.

So your ignorant suggestion is downright stupid.

 

[steen]

Just face it the Theory is weak with very little evidence. Where is the DNA evidence?

In the Scientific Literature. That you are ignorant about it like you are ignorant of even basic science concepts merely shows that you are ignorant, not that there is a flaw in science.

 

[steen]

I will checkout your link and some of what you just posted does make sense to me. I wonder if our own immune systems detect cancer and fight it off before we even know it exist.

Some of them, especially the viral-induced cancers such as cervical cancer are sometimes fought off by the immune system.

I don't believe diseases are necessarily mutation.

Many are.

 

[steen]

But you and I both know that the types of Christians who more often accept scientific explanations are a minority by far and usually accused by the Fundamentalists as merely being not quite as 'faithful'. Besides, the Christian who accepts the more scientific explanation does so while usually going against many biblical explanations.

We understand that many of the stories in the Bible are analogies. And we also know that those who insist on physical proof of God are those who truly are weak in their Faith, the ones for whom Faith is not enough. They desperately need physical evidence of God, even if they have to lie and go against God in the process. They are like the Israelites building a Golden CValf in the desert so they have something that can actually see.

Yes, this covers most fundies and certainly covers the lying creationists. They, however, are not the typical Christian of the world.

 

[steen]

Evolution is not a science.....it is in theory only.

Ah, another lying "because I say so" claim. Once again are you bearing false witness.

It strongly contradicts the bible.

And that also is a lie. It contradicts some minor specifics of the Bible, but not the message of the Bi9ble. That you, in your weak faith, need the Bible to be a Science Textbook, thus missing the real meaning of the Bible, that is sad. It doesn't invalidate the Bible, nor the Science. It merely shows how limited you are in your pathetric ignorance.

I will like to see all of you on judgement day. None of you have any faith. GOOD LUCK, AND MAY THE DEMONS GET BEHIND YOU!!!!!!!!

Shucks, just what we needed. Just another silly derivation of Pascal's Wager. That is the kind of limited mental process that I would expect from you.

And if I was you, I wouldn't talk to much about Faith, you being unable to have Faith without EVIDENCE of God. Pathetic.

 

[steen]

evolution is ABSOLUTELY NOT FACT BUT FICTION.....BACK THAT UP PLEASE

Ah, more "because I say so" hysterical ranting. How lame.

 

[steen]

"Gravity" is not the topic of this forum. EVOLUTIONAL HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN GENIOUS. PROVIDE ME THE PROOF PLEASE?

It is proven in the 100,000 scientific, peer-revciewed research articles published every year around the world.

Evidence is very weak concerning evolution.

If it was weak, it owuld not have made it through the Scientific Method. Once again, your lying "because I say so" postulation is a sign of your ignorance and dishonesty.

 

[steen]

What are you smoking/crack.......?

Actually, the analogy is fitting per the way the fetus grown.

A fetal heart beat can be detected 18 days after conception. A fetal brain can be detected 3 weeks after conception. How many tumors have brains and a heart beat and grow limbs?

The ones that are fetuses?

Anyway, there is no fetus 18 days or 3 weeks after conception, not that what you wrote matters much anyway.

 

[steen]

To all,

Of course I know mutations occur I am a nurse. Viruses and bacteria are ever changing/mutating. That is why the flu effects people so harshly. Our T cells have no memory of new strains. This is why HIV/AIDS is so detrimental to ones health.

This is also why bacteria becomes resistant to antibiotics. Moreover, microscopic germs are simple in complex and rely on a host. Complex organisms by the way are a different story. This is in regards to macromutations. Like I have said before mutations in humans occur as well, but result in cancer or benign tumors.

So you are describing Evolution, yet deny its existence? Are you schizophrenic?

As far as theory, if something is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence it can be considered as fact.

"can be considered"? Yes, certainly. The Scientific Evidence for Germs causing illness is supportive of the Scientific Theory of Germ-diseases.
The Scientific Evidence regarding the occurance of Evolution is supportive of the Scientific Theory of Evolution.

Evolution is not supported with that much evidence. Evolution needs much more study and clarification.

There is more total research supporting the Scientific Theory of Evolution that ANY OTHER Scientific Theory. Youy are FLAT-OUT LYING

Somebody mentioned Newtons law, however it was overtaken by Einsteins theory of relativity.

You are lying. Newtonian Physics is still valid, other than in the unique and specialized cases where Ensteinian quantum physics come into play.

There are theory tossed around everywhere about this or that.

Another luie. Theories are not
'tossed around. They are the endn product of the Scientific Method, not the beginning. MUST you LIE about EVERYTHING?

 

[steen]

fossil provide no DNA evidence.

But they provide evidence of Natural Selection, the OTHER aspect of Evolution. Are you really THAT IGNORANT that you didn't know this? (OH, silly question. Of course you are that ignorant.)

Just imprints of species. Big Deal. I know there have been several homo species. What happened to them? Why did they become extinct?

Through Natural Selection.

Or did homosapiens breed with them.....evidence suggest not. I personally think we wiped out the Neanderthals. These are questions no one has answers to.

Huh? Of course we have answers. Are you so stupid and ignorant that you haven't even read the evidence that you are spewing your ranting lies against?

 

[steen]

You tell me that the production of a new species has been observed.

Yes, we have told you that fact for many days now.

That is absurd.

No, it is a fact. That you are sto stupid and ignorant to know this is not our fault:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB910.html

Mutations harm species not improve them.

You are lying:
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html

Mutations are flawed cells that continue to replicate and function incorrectly with adverse effects to our bodies.

Not if the change confers a developmental advantage. You seem completely ignorant of the concept of Natural Selection.

Are you really a doctor? Shouldn't you know that.

I know that your claim is a flat-out lie like the rest of the lies you spew.

I wouldn't allow you to care for my dog.

Smart move as I am not trained in treating dogs.

You cannot compare a simple virus (RNA) strain to a complex organism.

Meaning what?

Microorganisms go unaffected by the mutations.

I proivided evidence where the mutation had a radical change in the function of the microorganism, causing it to feed on nylon instead of sugar. You are again flat-out lying, again bearing false witness.

Fossils are also probably hoaxes.

Ah, because you say so?

 

[steen]

Plus, microorganisms change at times based on our DNA (host). Now you tell me ONE FACTUAL THING THAT PROVES EVOLUTION.......and good luck, because it has never been proven or shall I say even backed up with tremendous evidence.

I have provided several examples by now. That you are so ignorant or willfully blind merely shows you to be stupid.deceptive.

I bet in years to come our kin shall see a purple horse walking on two legs and eating at a dinner table, driving cars etc.....

Why?

maybe the loch ness monster existed....

Really? You have scientific evidence?

huh What a bunch of bullshit.

The stuff you spew? yes, certainly.

 

[steen]

Only an idiot would portray themself as a genious.....try to be alittle humbel

Hey, that's a mirror you are talking to.

 

[steen]

RROVE YOUR FACTS PLEASE, EVEN THOUGH SCIENTIST CANNOT EVEN PROVE IT....GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR ''THEORY"

We provided facts. You just refuse to look at them. So in addition to being ignorant and a liar, you are also now showing yourself to be a COWARD. How lame of you.

 

[steen]

Steen,

for the LOVE OF GOD man! LISTEN to yourself.

That was alphieb, actually.

 

[Duke]

Steen, that was one helluva offensive. I applaud you.
I can hardly wait for Alpheib's response, if there is one.


Duke

 

[-Demosthenes-]

[...]I'm [...] mental, [...] I'm done with this thread. I shall further ignore your arguments. BYE, BYE

Alphieb sucks

Okay, I messed around with the first quote and imagined the second... but what are you gona do...?

Nothing like a raving ingnorant anit-evolutionist like alphieb to make you miss Donkey...

 

[alphieb]

Well at least you're not a sore loser.

I'm glad that you have at least the courage to move on to something else when you've been proved wrong.

Thanks!

As far as I'm concerned, I won. Which is why I'm finished.

 

[alphieb]

It is proven in the 100,000 scientific, peer-revciewed research articles published every year around the world.
If it was weak, it owuld not have made it through the Scientific Method. Once again, your lying "because I say so" postulation is a sign of your ignorance and dishonesty.

Gravity is a law, there is a difference. Why am I "lying" if I simply don't argee with you? You guys truly sound like a bunch of kids.

 

[alphieb]

With the facts, just like everything else.

Duke

Duke,

Again, not facts......"theory". not even a law