Who said anything about hucking them into the street, besides the majority on welfare are the ones selling the drugs, driving two cars, working under the table, buying lottery tickets and cigarettes etc.
They have no job
They are on drugs
They have not stopped...
What would you have me think? They are all angels that are just down on their luck? Please. They are users that are abusing drugs and abusing the system.
How large is this fraction?
irrelevant... 1% would be too high
So if we are going to test for all these drugs:
AMC110
10 Drugs - Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Opiates, Marijuana, PCP, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines, Methadone, TCA (Tricyclic Anti-Depressants)
$260.00 per case of 25
($10.40) each
The costs adds up pretty quickly.
And there what if a persons contests the results....
irrelevant... 1% would be too high
58,000 people x $10.40 to test each person just once a year = $603,200
$603,200 x 6 random tests per person in a year = $3,619,200.00
$603,200 x being tested once a month for a year = $7,238,400
PolitiFact Florida | Scott-O-Meter: Require drug screening for welfare recipients
The Florida Legislature delivered Gov. Rick Scott a victory in the closing days of the 2011 legislative session when it passed a measure requiring all Floridians who receive cash welfare assistance to first pass a drug test.
Scott had run for office promising a drug-testing requirement, and worked to broaden an original drug-testing bill that would have applied only to recent drug felons.
The final bill, HB 353, forces all people who receive welfare cash, called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, to pass a test in order to be eligible for the funds. If prospective recipients fail a first test, they would lose benefits for one year. A second positive drug test makes them ineligible for three years. The new testing requirement would affect about 58,000 people.
Take another test.
So if we are going to test for all these drugs:
AMC110
10 Drugs - Cocaine, Methamphetamine, Opiates, Marijuana, PCP, Amphetamines, Barbiturates, Benzodiazepines, Methadone, TCA (Tricyclic Anti-Depressants)
$260.00 per case of 25
($10.40) each
The costs adds up pretty quickly.
And there what if a persons contests the results....
I completely support this. I think they also need to tightly control all the narcotics that welfare recipients get via Medicaid.
Not to mention how often will the test be done? From my understanding and Id have to check even if its every 90 days this will catch people that randomly smoke weed and could miss everything else.
I definitely think ALL narcotics need a better catch system because its where alot of abuse starts.
Not to mention how often will the test be done? From my understanding and Id have to check even if its every 90 days this will catch people that randomly smoke weed and could miss everything else.
I agree 100%. Working in a pharmacy really opened my eyes to prescription drug abuse. And based on my experience, roughly 50-75% of those narcotics are paid for by Medicare or state Medicaid programs. People go doctor shopping and they'll write prescriptions like candy. At the pharmacy end we have to keep it very tightly controlled, but I think we also need regulation at the physicians end as well. There definitely needs to be better channels of communication between the physicians and pharmacists as well.
Prescription drugs are the most abused.
And it's not like there aren't ways to beat piss tests. Even if you ignore the questionable use of government force against the individual's right to secure their person from unreasonable search; it's not clear that we'd even save any money doing this. It's quite possible it could cost money to do this. It's government, it's not like they're efficient with their money.
how is it unreasonable to expect freeloaders to stay off drugs? however, any crackhead will tell you, all you need is a couple days notice and you can beat the test. when I was fosterparenting, one of the crackhead mom's knew she was getting tested every thursday. she smoked crack thursday evening thru monday morning. crack only stays detectable in your system for 72 hours. i once saw the bitch light up the crack pipe in her car sitting in the DHR parking lot immediately following he weekly drug test. being the ass that I am, I promptly ratted her out and they retested her. ding, ding, ding...we have a winner
So you're saying we should spend at almost 4-7 million dollars (that's not counting facilities, workers, blah blah blah) a year to test for this.
How much money is spent on welfare and food-stamps in the state of Florida?
How well can we actually find these people (meaning what percentage of drug using welfare recipients will we catch with this? Even if you test everyone it's still not 100%).
A vast majority of those 58,000 people are not going to piss hot. So the cost would not be that much.Besides that if they got money to spend on drugs then obviously they are not in a dire financial situation.What do you do when you remove them from benefits? Do you think this can have negative side effects (increased crime, increased cost to us for police/jail/etc?). How much are we "saving" by throwing these people off welfare? Is it more than 4-7 million?
It is actually a great idea. There is a large faction of people that are on welfare because they can't get a job due to their dependency. Make them get sober and get a job. It isn't societies responsibility to support meth heads and stoners.
If this totals in the billions the 4-7 million is chump change.
And what will happen when you cut them off? Will they stop being dependent? I guess when I think about this I want to know the purpose for checking. If it is just to kick them off wlefare, I have to ask what youn think will happen next?
Probably jail or drug rehab. Regardless, if they are using drugs they shouldn't be on welfare. Personally I think welfare needs to be fundamentally reformed to function more as a financial rehab program.
You need to read. It does not say that 20% cannot get jobs because of their drug use. It says that 20% have said to have used drugs sometime in the past year, that half of that is marijuana, and that those who are actually drug dependent are a SMALL MINORITY. That's what was said. So when you said "If you are on drugs you can't get a job. 20% are on drugs, therefore they can't get a job because the can't/won't stop their drug use." that's a lie. First off, it's based of a false premise that if you're on drugs you cannot get a job. There are a lot of drug users out there with jobs. So barring even that stupid comment. 20% have used drugs, therefore they can't get a job because they can't/won't stop their drug use is a lie too. And NOT supported in your link. You are actually saying the opposite of what is said in the link you gave. You said they can't get job because of their dependency, you imply it here as destructive behavior due to drug us is one of the conditions of dependency. But the article clearly states that addicts, those dependent upon the drug/alcohol are a SMALL MINORITY. 3% in fact.
A little honesty is all I'm asking for here; it shouldn't be that tough.
It would be. Will FL save billions of dollars by doing this?
The fact it would be chump change means that cost is non-issue when it comes to piss testing welfare recipients.
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