Should Donald Trump go to prison for what he did on the 6th of January 2021?

[craig]

That's not enough to prove anything, because it could be conceivable that it was a set-up by President Trump's enemies and they were part of it, whether they went along with such a set-up knowingly/willingly or were duped in some way to go along with it. This sort of thing could be excluded as evidence on hearsay grounds, or something along those lines.

It's actually more than that, because it's subjective semantics games by trying to equate Trump using the word "fight" to him calling for rioting; when I think of it that way, it just makes it that much more obvious that it's just stupid & ridiculous to perceive that President Trump was calling for any sort of violence at all.

"Former President Trump's actions (preceding) the riot were a disgraceful – disgraceful – dereliction of duty," the article quotes McConnell as saying. “The leader of the free world cannot spend weeks thundering that shadowy forces are stealing our country and then feign surprise when people believe him and do reckless things."

 

[Atomic Kid]

Do you agree that stealing an election would also be an assault on democracy?

Yes I would. That's exactly what Trump was trying to do.

 

[neil]

Yes. He violated his oath of office.

Not sure why you assert that he violated his oath of office, but in any event I think that would call for impeachment, not imprisonment.

 

[rickc]

That's not enough to prove anything, because it could be conceivable that it was a set-up by President Trump's enemies and they were part of it, whether they went along with such a set-up knowingly/willingly or were duped in some way to go along with it. This sort of thing could be excluded as evidence on hearsay grounds, or something along those lines.

It's actually more than that, because it's subjective semantics games by trying to equate Trump using the word "fight" to him calling for rioting; when I think of it that way, it just makes it that much more obvious that it's just stupid & ridiculous to perceive that President Trump was calling for any sort of violence at all.

It is stupid and ridiculous to perceive he wasn't.

Trump tried every scam possible trying to steal this election.

The entire timeline is very clear from the beginning.

1/6 was the culmination of the failures of a desperate man. Violence the last resort.

 

[Rumpelstil]

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[Rumpelstil]

Lest we forget ....

 

[Rumpelstil]

I have just now posted 3 videos.
Did you see them.

 

[Rumpelstil]

It is stupid and ridiculous to perceive he wasn't.

Trump tried every scam possible trying to steal this election.

The entire timeline is very clear from the beginning.

1/6 was the culmination of the failures of a desperate man. Violence the last resort.

So it was.

 

[CaughtInThe]

do you ever wonder what Nixon supporters were saying right around the same point in the Watergate investigation?

 

[donhughesmusic]

Did Donald Trump use the word "riot" in such a way as to ask attendees of his rally to go and riot, or not?

He used the word "fight". The definition of the word "fight" according to Merriam-Webster Dictionary is as follows:

Definition of FIGHT

to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons; to engage in boxing; to put forth a determined effort… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Yep, he did ask that.

 

[donhughesmusic]

That's not enough to prove anything, because it could be conceivable that it was a set-up by President Trump's enemies and they were part of it, whether they went along with such a set-up knowingly/willingly or were duped in some way to go along with it. This sort of thing could be excluded as evidence on hearsay grounds, or something along those lines.

It's actually more than that, because it's subjective semantics games by trying to equate Trump using the word "fight" to him calling for rioting; when I think of it that way, it just makes it that much more obvious that it's just stupid & ridiculous to perceive that President Trump was calling for any sort of violence at all.

Definition of FIGHT

to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons; to engage in boxing; to put forth a determined effort… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Sounds like he was calling for it to me.

 

[donhughesmusic]

It's not necessarily illegal to go to the Capitol; it depends on whether or not you cross certain boundaries on the Capitol. People have a constitutional right to peacefully protest.

The Capitol at that time was closed to the public due to Covid restrictions. Yep, sounds illegal to me.

 

[lurchadams]

Cool story! Tell me more.

Exactly. "Trump wasn't responsible". You guys are so adorable

 

[lurchadams]

He could lose weight, but how do seat belt extenders help with being gross?

I don't know, never had to use them. You?

 

[SkyFox76]

Essentially a loaded question - at that point he did call for everyone to go home. Did you forget about this or were you just never aware of this until now?

Not unless you're trying to rewrite history.

Trump started his speech at 12:00 and end it at 1:10.

First person enters the Capitol at 2:12. Pence was taken to a secure location at 2:13.

2:24 Trump tweets out that Pence didn't have the courage to do what he should have. (absolutely no mention on people heading home)

2:26 Trump accidentally calls Mike Lee while meaning to call Tommy Tuberville. Lee hands the phone to Tuberville who informs Trump, Pence had been evacuated.

2:38 Trump tweets again. Tells people to support capitol police and LE. (and again no mention for anyone to head home)

3:13 Another Trump tweet telling people to be peaceful. (still NO mention for people go home)

4:17 He finally put the video on his twitter with his ohhh I know you're hurting, but you have to go home now.

So he had over three hours and three previous tweets he could have told people to knock the shit off and go home. He didn't.

 

[upsideguy]

Do you agree that stealing an election would also be an assault on democracy?

Such a thing, if it were to ever happen, would of course be an assault on our democracy. But, such a thing did not happen, so that is an academic answer. What did happen, that we all witnessed, was a President disregard his oath of office: rather than uphold the Constitution, he chose to subvert it.

Even if the President believed the election to be unfair, there is this matter of the rule of law. He can challenge the outcome through normal course, as he started to do. Unfortunately for him, the challenge did not go in his favor. So, his job as President, as protector of the Constitution, is the respect the rule of law and support the transition to the new president.

Even though Trump was POTUS, he does not preside over the election, he is merely a candidate, subject to its rules and the law. Nothing about the administration of the election is in his domain. Even if he thinks it was not fair or on the up and up, he has no say about it. It is his job to respect the democratic process, whether he believes it fair or not, and affirm (and effect) the peaceful transition of power, which he did not do.

He failed miserably at his last task as President.

 

[DarkWizard12]

May I say it again and again and again:

When I saked: "Should ....." I was asking for your PERSONAL OPINION!
Not for a legal information.

Are you afraid of having an opinion?
In the land of the free and the home of the brave?

but again, legally, none of that is meaningless at all.

and why should he be accused of instigating violence if not even the court would consider it such?

 

[Rumpelstil]

He failed miserably at his last task as President.

He failed miserably in every respect

 

[ataraxia]

I'm not sure what information you're referring to, but one of my first questions would be how accurate, reliable, and trustworthy is it.

Haha, funny. How do you convince people of the reliability of anything when they are convinced that every single scientific organization on the entire planet is wrong on climate change, and all the doctors and public health specialists in the country are wrong on pandemic control- but some Manhattan real estate huckster and known charlatan is "reliable" and "tells it like it is"?

 

[ataraxia]

Donald Trump held a rally next to the ellipse across from the WH at the same time that this incident at the Capitol took place.

Haha- yes, I am sure he was standing a fairly safe distance away, for sure.

 

[gdgyva]

So it was.

i didnt see Trump leading the riot in any of them
In fact, i didnt see any high ranking GOP members in the mob?
Where were they hiding?
I guess he was leading from the back? No?
Maybe Ted Cruz can be blamed too, right? McConnell? How many other GOP members can you try and pin this on?

 

[NolanVoyd]

i didnt see Trump leading the riot in any of them
In fact, i didnt see any high ranking GOP members in the mob?
Where were they hiding?
I guess he was leading from the back? No?
Maybe Ted Cruz can be blamed too, right? McConnell? How many other GOP members can you try and pin this on?

Of course you didn't.


Do you really think that is a point?

 

[Atomic Kid]

i didnt see Trump leading the riot in any of them

Trump said he would be going with them to the Capitol with them. But of course he ducked on them as all talk, no action cowards are wont to do.

In fact, i didnt see any high ranking GOP members in the mob?

This GOP Senator may not have been in the mob. But he sure did demonstrably signal his support for the mob

Where were they hiding?

In 'safe rooms' along with the Dems desperately trying to call Trump to tell him to call his dogs off or send the guard to rescue them.

I guess he was leading from the back? No?

Where else would you expect Cadet Bone-spurs to lead from?

Maybe Ted Cruz can be blamed too, right? McConnell? How many other GOP members can you try and pin this on?

I expect it will prove to be the 'usual suspects' when it comes to obstruction. As in members of the Freedom Caucus and Tea Party.

 

[SkyFox76]

Trump said he would be going with them to the Capitol with them. But of course he ducked on them as all talk, no action cowards are wont to do.

This GOP Senator may not have been in the mob. But he sure did demonstrably signal his support for the mob
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In 'safe rooms' along with the Dems desperately trying to call Trump to tell him to call his dogs off or send the guard to rescue them.

Where else would you expect Cadet Bone-spurs to lead from?

I expect it will prove to be the 'usual suspects' when it comes to obstruction. As in members of the Freedom Caucus and Tea Party.

 

[uptower]

I’d settle to see him barred from holding office again.

Rich old white dudes rarely get jail time anyway...