Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

[j brown's body]

I just mentioned one to Gimme: the idea that the country ought to allow illegals to be the new underclass to do the dirty jobs, because supposedly no citizens will do them. Which is stupid because the point of illegals is that companies can underpay them because they're not capable of bringing legal action.

Can be honest about it? No Dem supports this.

 

[j brown's body]

I think if Democrats want to win, they should embrace a moderate, third-way, Bill Clinton form of liberalism. If they went to the right on immigration, transgenderism, and guns, they would gain a lot of support. I think someone like former Virginia Senator Jim Webb is the ideal Democrat; that being said, I don't think they need to completely abandon the entire Democratic platform like your post suggests—they can keep the liberal stance on most other issues like civil rights and abortion and still win.

You want Democrats to embrace elitism even more.

 

[rahl]

You didn't refute it, you merely contradicted it.

Refuted it. It’s not possible to predict the future.

It would be painful to accept that your position causes young people harm. I understand your reluctance to come to terms with it.

We have established that you can not show a casual factor between not letting parents and doctors commit child abuse , with an increase in suicides.

 

[rahl]

Reversible puberty blockers are designed to avoid this so that people can make informed decisions.

The harmful effects of delayed puberty are not reversible.

 

[Ouroboros]

I totally agree. Which is why Dems need to get the most votes with the best strategy. It's largely a mathematical equation. Whatever strategy they employ is going to sacrifice some voters for others. I propose an alliance between the Left and Center-Left. I feel this is sufficient to win most elections. Right-wing 'Moderates' like @Gatsby want to make an alliance with the Center and the Right-Wing. Which necessarily means sacrificing progressive voters.

In 2024, Dems felt that they could sideline progressive voters with a strong moral conscience and get right-wing voters. So that they could continue business as usual. The strategy failed. They were misled by a corrupt, self-serving political consulting class.

The strategy post-2024 is to blame progressives for the strategy that Gatsby Voters employed and lost against Trump twice with. And then continue on with the same strategy like nothing happened.

Um... it's a strategy.

What planks in the 2024 platform do you believe were intended to have appeal for right-wing voters?

 

[Ouroboros]

Can be honest about it? No Dem supports this.

Yawn. Happy to update you.

Speaking at Grace Baptist Church in Waterbury as part of their 125th anniversary program, [Jasmine] Crockett told the audience how she "had to go around the country and educate people about what immigrants do for this country, or the fact that we are a country of immigrants."

"The fact is, ain't none of y'all trying to go and farm right now," she continued to some laughter. "OK, so raise your hands."

After looking around and apparently finding none: "You not! You not! We done picking cotton!"

"We are," she continued, shrugging. "You can't pay us enough to find a plantation."

Now, there may not be many Dem politicians stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud-- America needs a new underclass-- but her "defense" of illegal immigrants is at base an endorsement of economic slavery.

 

[j brown's body]

Yawn. Happy to update you.

That's not a cry to pay immigrants less, it's an assertion that they won't work for those wages.

 

[j brown's body]

Refuted it. It’s not possible to predict the future.

We have established that you can not show a casual factor between not letting parents and doctors commit child abuse , with an increase in suicides.

The increase in mental depression and suicide attempts due to your anti-trans laws is happening now, not in the future.

Your saying it doesn't show causality when it in fact does, isnt an argument against it, simply contradicts it. To understand the difference between the two watch:

 

[rahl]

The increase in mental depression and suicide attempts due to your anti-trans laws is happening now, not in the future.

Refuted this already.

Your saying it doesn't show causality when it in fact does, isnt an argument against it, simply contradicts it. To understand the difference between the two watch:

Refuted already. It’s not possible to predict the future.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Yawn. Happy to update you.


Now, there may not be many Dem politicians stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud-- America needs a new underclass-- but her "defense" of illegal immigrants is at base an endorsement of economic slavery.

You don’t need a Dem to do that, Trump already stated the quiet part out loud when he said gee maybe farms and hotels shouldn’t be subject to ICE raids anymore.

 

[j brown's body]

Refuted this already.

Refuted already. It’s not possible to predict the future.

Repetition does not turn your contradictions into arguments.

Nice try though.

 

[Gardener]

Some of us have progressed since junior high school.

You are like the proles in 1984.

Your reality is whatever your masters tell you it is.

 

[j brown's body]

Yawn. Happy to update you.


Now, there may not be many Dem politicians stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud-- America needs a new underclass-- but her "defense" of illegal immigrants is at base an endorsement of economic slavery.

Is this bizarre argument intended to give cover for your sadistically cruel policies toward undocumented immigrants?

Your act of sending an innocent man to a lifetime sentence in a foreign gulag is neccesary to prevent the Democrats from turning him into a slave?

 

[rahl]

Repetition does not turn your contradictions into arguments.

Reality doesn’t care how you feel.

Nice try though.

It wasn’t a try.

 

[Dans La Lune]

What planks in the 2024 platform do you believe were intended to have appeal for right-wing voters?

A continuation of Biden's moderate policies, after he abandoned his progressive platform (when he was actually popular). Basically the same far-right foreign policy, aligning with Liz Cheney, sidelining progressives and gas-lighting on Israel (also violating American law), more corporate aligned influences with the possibility of firing Lina Kahn, supporting crypto, right-leaning on immigration.

Kamala actively distanced herself from progressives and chose to campaign with Liz Cheney, strongly signaling that this was her preferred alliance, with the stated intent of placing Republicans in her cabinet. It was a very bad look, combined with her propensity to push pro-genocide propaganda.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Repetition does not turn your contradictions into arguments.

Nice try though.

I would suggest taking the John Cleese position here, and maintain that his five minutes are up.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

You are like the proles in 1984.

Your reality is whatever your masters tell you it is.

This, coming from someone who believes that trans athletes are taking over the world, and kids are getting sex change operations during school hours? Who is feeding you that crap?

 

[Gardener]

This, coming from someone who believes that trans athletes are taking over the world, and kids are getting sex change operations during school hours? Who is feeding you that crap?

I never said either of those things.

Why do so many of you leftist authoritarians pull this same dishonest shit?

I might as well make a claim that you demand mandatory sex change.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

I never said either of those things.

Why do so many of you leftist authoritarians pull this same dishonest shit?

I might as well make a claim that you demand mandatory sex change.

Ah, but trump made this claim, and more. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-children-surgeries-school/

This goes to my earlier point, that Republicans need to lie and exaggerate to get the rubes to take their side here. It's institutionalized transphobia. They are taking a subject that affects very few people and lying to make it into something the average rube voter cares deeply about. And here you are, arguing about trans kids, just like they wanted.

Do you believe what trump said here? Or do you not care that you are being lied to (pretty effectively, I might add)? My guess is that you don't know that you are being lied to, because you think that I'm being lied to. So go ahead and believe trump's wild claims, that kids are getting sex change operations while at school, and immigrants are eating our cats and dogs, and windmills cause cancer, and the Continental Army captured the airports during the Revolutionary War, and square all of that with the idea that it's my team doing the gaslighting and not yours. Good luck.

 

[Gardener]

Ah, but trump made this claim, and more. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-children-surgeries-school/

This goes to my earlier point, that Republicans need to lie and exaggerate to get the rubes to take their side here. It's institutionalized transphobia. They are taking a subject that affects very few people and lying to make it into something the average rube voter cares deeply about. And here you are, arguing about trans kids, just like they wanted.

Do you believe what trump said here? Or do you not care that you are being lied to (pretty effectively, I might add)? My guess is that you don't know that you are being lied to, because you think that I'm being lied to. So go ahead and believe trump's wild claims, that kids are getting sex change operations while at school, and immigrants are eating our cats and dogs, and windmills cause cancer, and the Continental Army captured the airports during the Revolutionary War, and square all of that with the idea that it's my team doing the gaslighting and not yours. Good luck.

You might want to have one of your friends explain to you that I am not Trump.

How sad for you.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

You might want to have one of your friends explain to you that I am not Trump.

How sad for you.

Yet you are carrying his water at every opportunity.

Why are trans kids even on your radar?

 

[Gardener]

Yet you are carrying his water at every opportunity.

Why are trans kids even on your radar?

What would you do without your stupid straw men?

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

What would you do without your stupid straw men?

What would you do without the gigantic trans athlete problem to worry about?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I didn't vote in the presidential.

Weird you come up with this excuse after all of our past discussions ON THIS EXACT MATTER.

What happened.....you suddenly remembered how you voted?

BULLSHIT

And I represent one vote. Although I'm flattered that you think I have the ability to decide elections.

You were part of the problem, I have said it all along. Now go and create some more threads complaining about Donny.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

"My" content? Are my posts here part of current political discourse?

Since the context is this forum, yes, you are part of the current political discourse at DP, and your views, past and present are included....so....yeah.

Well, there's the woman who claimed that Black people weren't going to pick cotton any more, and that this was why we need illegals, to be the new underclass to do shit jobs. But that wasn't a response to anything I said.

No one said it was. This is such a weird diversion from your comment about losers and my response about Lost Causers being experts on losing, on how to deal with losing something over a century ago. But....whatever, it was a joke....and you respond by.... bringing up slavery!

Thanks, made my day.