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Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

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gbg3 said:
At least on this forum, those optics grew very strong and incredibly fast! Even stronger than I would have expected would happen here, on a forum which consistently leans quite far left.

From time to time, the strength of the momentum and direction on a topic where I never would have predicted such a clear and blatant (but very tactically odd to my thinking) narrative choice - surprises me and makes me just want to observe for a while. To me, this bigger than I expected defense of Iran - feels sort of like the defense and denial of the open border. It will interest me to watch how this "plays" as this momentum continues to roll and grow. I think it certainly has huge potential to turn into heavily used election material, much like issue of the border certainly did in 2024.
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Perhaps you could share some of the posts where the left has shown "bigger than you expected " defense for Iran. A statement like that should be easy to back up. Certainly there have been posts criticizing the US involvment, posts questioning the intelligence that caused Trump to act, criticism of Trump for cancelling the pact, etc but I have not seen posts defending Iran . In fact poster after poster on the left has said that Iran should be stopped from getting a nuclear weapon. I do recall one rogue poster who questioned why Iran should get a bomb but that was it.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Throughout our history when adults want to control the behavior of other adults, they invoke children.
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Actually, they indulge in demagoguery where they divide the world into two groups and convince people that their group is being harmed by the other group.
 
Gatsby said:
I don't really care what label you want to apply. My posts speak for themselves. If it helps people with weak minds to affix some political label to people's posts to correctly categorize them as a Good Guy or a Bad Guy rather than address the merits of the ideas, then by all means use whatever you want. Maybe you should go with Nazi, I hear they were pretty bad guys!

And yet here you are, taking time out of your day to defend it and make sure Democrats don't give one inch of ground on it.

Why would they let go of an issue where Democrats insist on making themselves look ridiculous? The GOP is delighted every time you do this.

Nope, it's perfectly rational for political movements to not interrupt when their opponents are beclowning themselves. Literally beclowning themselves, in this case. The GOP is playing it perfectly by just handing you the mic and letting you have the floor.
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That's certainly a response filled with sensible logic.
 
Gatsby said:
Step 1 for Democrats winning elections: Stop thinking of voters as rubes, and stop assuming that anytime Republicans win it was because they tricked the voters. Sometimes the voters elect Republicans because they agree with the Republican candidate more than the Democratic candidate on the issues that are important to them.
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Yet more sensible logic.
 
Real blank said:
If Bernie sanders had been the nominee in 2016 I think he could have potentially won.
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He'd still have faced massive resistance from Dem Leadership and the overall machine of the Dem Party. I've come to the inescapable conclusion Dem Leadership would rather Trump win than have Bernie or a progressive win. The Democratic party is a vehicle for an agenda, and that vehicle has been fully coopted by special interests.

We'll see what the Zohran Mamdani vs. Andrew Cuomo results are. Dem establishment have largely sided with Cuomo, a cartoonishly corrupt sex pest who is responsible for untold COVID-related deaths. 🤷‍♂️

Zohran is running on the new "Abundance Agenda" which is supposed to be the Great New Direction for Dems as the alternative to Progressivism, yet still can't win over the Abundance crowd... I wonder why.
 
Dans La Lune said:
You mean reversible puberty blockers, under the guidance of medical experts and a team of mental health physicians, who are invested in the well-being of the patient so that they don't develop Secondary Sex attributes and thus make transitioning more costly and more prone to social ostracization / lack of employment. Most of the time, Gender Affirming Care leads to patients NOT transitioning.

Look, this is a nuanced issue, and right-wingers are incapable of nuance. I get it. You guys need Black and White answers to every problem in the world. I couldn't live like that, but I think you should have the right to.

Before you respond with swamp-fever talking points pulled out of the darkest recesses 4Chan, show me your medical degree and/or a research paper from which you base your analysis.
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You asked what Democrats could do to develop a "winning strategy." Among my answers is drop the defense of these barbaric procedures, just like medical professionals are doing in Europe.

But hey, if you want to double down on transitioning kids, go for it. I generally don't have a problem when Democrats lose elections, so I'm okay if you lose the next one.
 
NatMorton said:
You asked what Democrats could do to develop a "winning strategy." Among my answers is drop the defense of these barbaric procedures, just like medical professionals are doing in Europe.

But hey, if you want to double down on transitioning kids, go for it. I generally don't have a problem when Democrats lose elections, so I'm okay if you lose the next one.
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Maybe Dems should just throw trans people in the ovens to win elections?
 
Dans La Lune said:
Maybe Dems should just throw trans people in the ovens to win elections?
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Notice he keeps insisting it’s the Dems wanting kids to transition vs PATENTAL CHOICE. The phrasing is designed to create a trans red scare.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Maybe Dems should just throw trans people in the ovens to win elections?
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Which reminds me, ridiculous hyperbole is also something your side could tone down a bit. It really makes your candidates -- and their supporters -- come off as unglued.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Your statement is an uneducated take but thank you for underlining my point. Anything happening with THE CHILDREN is under the care and supervision of medical professionals.
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The right-wing argument is predicated on ignorance, stupidity and gullibility.
 
NatMorton said:
Which reminds me, ridiculous hyperbole is also something your side could tone down a bit. It really makes your candidates -- and their supporters -- come off as unglued.
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“Trans people have the right to exist” isn’t really unglued. The reaction to that statement is though.
 
NatMorton said:
Child abuse is not a matter of "PARENTAL CHOICE."
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And about circumcision?
NatMorton said:
Which reminds me, ridiculous hyperbole is also something your side could tone down a bit. It really makes your candidates -- and their supporters -- come off as unglued.
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"CHILD ABUSE!!!" "THEY'RE CASTRATING THE CHILDREN!"

Speaking of unglued.
 
NatMorton said:
Child abuse is not a matter of "PARENTAL CHOICE."
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You’re defining it as abuse which is a slippery slope I’m not comfortable with. There are folks are think the same about b circumcision. There are folks that feel that way about extremism Christians home schooling their kids with propaganda. Lots of stuff can be construed as abuse. Lots and lots.
 
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