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Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

Should Dems move to the Right of Biden?

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JohnfrmClevelan said:
What real women are being denied benefits because of these imaginary men? Any?

Right now, my number stands at about one million, because that's the number of Americans who would be neither male nor female under your test.
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Sorry, that's just obtuse. Every woman who would have made a high school or college athletic team but for a man out competing them and taking their place has been harmed. Every woman who would have won first, second, or third in a meet but for the unfair competition with a biological man.

And then we get into the injuries:
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A new documentary highlights US volleyball player Payton McNabb’s journey from injury to becoming an advocate for women’s sports safety.
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If you're going to be indifferent to these problems there's really no way to take your arguments seriously.
 
JohnfrmClevelan said:
I'm aware of girls playing HS football, as kickers. Lots of girls wrestle against boys. My own daughter played baseball against boys in little league and did very well. Should I have been worried about her batting ahead of biological boys, or taking their turn in the rotation?
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Were the boys pre- or post-pubesents?

Please, this is nonsense. Think about the size, speed, and weight differences that begin in young adulthood. As I said above, blithely ignoring these risks makes your commentary unserious.
 
Progressives are throwing Dems a lifeline with candidates like Zohran Mamdani. Will Dems take it? Zohran won demographics that Dems have been bleeding to Republicans. Even against the vehement resistance of establishment Dems, Zohran pulled out a huge win. Imagine if establishment Dems actually formed an alliance with candidates like Zohran instead of with MAGA Republicans.

One can dream.
 
Dans La Lune said:
This is about politics, not sports. Politicians don't regulate sports. Focus.
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So you're okay with private, women's sports leagues banning trans women in the name of fairness and player safety?

Also, do "politicians" have anything to do with Title IX opportunities?
 
NatMorton said:
So you're okay with private, women's sports leagues banning trans women in the name of fairness and player safety?
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I'm not okay with it, no, but I don't want to get involved in professional athletics, because it's a distraction and not a real concern. No one has the right to engage in athletics. We can get into a larger discussion about how anti-trans sports measures hurt WOMEN, not help them. Do you want to go there? I'd rather stick to policy that impacts people's lives.
 
Gatsby said:
I'm not going to waste any effort trying to appease you. If this is the way you react to pro-trans civil rights rulings from a Supreme Court with a 6-3 Republican majority, then it's obvious that nothing will ever be good enough for you. But thank you for providing such a crystal clear example for why politicians should just tell trans extremists to **** off instead of giving into their bullying. They're going to get bullied by trans extremists anyway.

You're right, the court issuing a ruling IN FAVOR of trans people is exactly the same as segregation. You are hereby awarded an extra 95 oppression points. What a stunning and brave victim you are. Congrats! :rolleyes:
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When logic fails, get personal.
 
rahl said:
😂

It’s not possible to determine causality.

So your rebuttal to established fact is “nuh uh”

Anyway, we know over 90% of GD cases resolve naturally at adulthood without resulting to child abuse. So we won’t be allowing you to do this any longer.
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I have provided evidence showing that your study is flawed.

Why is it not possible to show causality?

I suspect that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
It's interesting how folks care so much for trans kids they support policy that causes their suicide attempts to go up.

Reminds me of the old Christian right-wing mantra about loving the person, but hating the gay.

As if they have a choice.
 
j brown's body said:
When logic fails, get personal.
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No, you're right. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, and Elena Kagan - all of whom agreed with the majority decision in favor of trans people (along with Gorsuch and Roberts) - are exactly the same as Bull Connor spraying black people with firehoses. If this is your reaction to getting your way, I can only imagine your reaction if the case had gone the opposite way.

You know, the trans movement didn't have to be so extreme. They could have just declared victory and gone home, riding high on public goodwill, like the rest of the LGB movement did, after winning equality under the law and anti-discrimination measures. But no, instead they decided to push for increasingly ridiculous things like sex changes for minors. And then they decided to turn on their own supporters who were actively helping them for doing it wrong, much as you are doing with Sotomayor right now.

Enjoy being out on that limb all by yourself. Thank you for making it crystal clear why mainstream liberals were right to abandon your movement.
 
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Gatsby said:
No, you're right. Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, and Elena Kagan - all of whom agreed with the majority decision in favor of trans people (along with Gorsuch and Roberts), are exactly the same as Bull Connor spraying black people with firehoses. If this is your reaction to getting your way, I can only imagine your reaction if the case had gone the opposite way.

You know, the trans movement didn't have to be so extreme. They could have just declared victory and gone home, riding high on public goodwill, like the rest of the LGB movement did, after winning equality under the law and anti-discrimination measures. But no, instead they decided to push for increasingly ridiculous things like sex changes for minors. And then they decided to turn on their own supporters who were actively helping them for not doing it the way you wanted, much as you are with the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg right now.

Enjoy being out on that limb all by yourself. Thank you for making it crystal clear why mainstream liberals were right to abandon your movement.
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I'm sorry you're having so much trouble accepting the similarities between this decision and Plessy.
 
j brown's body said:
I'm sorry you're having so much trouble accepting the similarities between this decision and Plessy.
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If it were possible to do so, would you support removing Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan from the Supreme Court for supporting segregation? Should future court nominees be called upon to denounce this decision and their colleagues during their confirmation hearings? Is Samuel Alito, who opposed this decision, a civil rights hero in your view?
 
Gatsby said:
If it were possible to do so, would you support removing Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan from the Supreme Court for supporting segregation? Should future court nominees be called upon to denounce this decision and their colleagues during their confirmation hearings? Is Samuel Alito, who opposed this decision, a civil rights hero in your view?
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What does that have to do with this decision being similar to Plessy?
 
@Gatsby to minorities: Know your place and you'll be fine. Don't get uppity. Keep your head down and stay in the closet. The less visible the better.

These people are utterly incapable of defending their arguments on the merits. They HAVE to frame trans people as coming for your children and mutilating them (false). It's really no different, intellectually, than what RFK Jr is doing with vaccine policy.

You just can't explain fact to them in a manner that they can absorb. You can throw a metric ****ton of peer reviewed research at them, and they just stare at you like a wall and then repeat their previous arguments.
 
j brown's body said:
It's interesting how folks care so much for trans kids they support policy that causes their suicide attempts to go up.

Reminds me of the old Christian right-wing mantra about loving the person, but hating the gay.

As if they have a choice.
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Trans people killing themselves is a bonus for them. Win-win.
 
For the record, these were the policies in the OP:

- Foreign Policy
- Healthcare (Medicare, Medicaid)
- Public Health Policy (e.g. Vaccines)
- Social Security
- Civil Rights
- Economy
- Immigration
- Foreign Policy
- Political Corruption
- Climate Change
- Infrastructure
- Regulations
- Unions / Labor / Workers Rights

We're talking about trans rights because the right (including @Gatsby) cannot defend Dems going to the right in these areas.
 
rahl said:
Already proven false
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Other than showing causality and being consistent with other studies, its just common sense. Their suicide rate is disproportionately high, when your own state turns against you, its sure to go up.

So please, stop caring!
 
rahl said:
Already proven false. You can’t show causality.
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Nevertheless, another study shows they suffer mental duress when subjected to these laws, but that does not effect you.

Or maybe that study doesn't show causality either. :ROFLMAO:
 
j brown's body said:
Horrifying to consider.
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Unfortunately it's true. They don't want trans people to be able to actually transition and lead a healthy, productive lives. They want them to be like Klinger on MASH when they apply for a job and face a life of discrimination and ostracization.

Gender affirming care actually leads many people OUT of transitioning. They reject the healthcare policy because trans people benefit from it, overwhelmingly. It's a fully reactionary, anti-science, anti-healthcare position in the mold of RFK's Jr anti-vaxx campaign. And they should be treated with the seriousness of RFK Jr.
 
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