That's a fair point. I am assuming that the officer would not have wanted it and he may well have. I suppose I'm going by the family permitting de Blasio to speak. If the family had felt as strongly about de Blasio as the officers did, I believe they would have asked him not to attend or made a comment about it when they spoke to the press. Because they didn't do so, I believe that they were, at the very least, fine with de Blasio speaking if only for the fact that they were too overcome with grief to care. Now, if it turns out that the family support the officers' actions, then I'll change my position. Thus far, though, it seems more likely the officers' protest was not family approved and thus, in my opinion, inappropriate.If it's arrogant, why are YOU presuming yourself?
I don't support the Ferguson, Garner, et al. protesters because "they meet my agenda". That's an extremely reductionist and, frankly, offensive way to refer to my support. My support of that movement is not so trivial as a political "agenda" just as the police officers' anger with de Blasio is not merely an "agenda". Nobody who's protesting or supporting protests on either "side" is doing so for such shallow reasons. I hope you get that.It would seem you only support protest, no matter the venue, when the cause meets your agenda.
That's a fair point. I am assuming that the officer would not have wanted it and he may well have. I suppose I'm going by the family permitting de Blasio to speak. If the family had felt as strongly about de Blasio as the officers did, I believe they would have asked him not to attend or made a comment about it when they spoke to the press. Because they didn't do so, I believe that they were, at the very least, fine with de Blasio speaking if only for the fact that they were too overcome with grief to care. Now, if it turns out that the family support the officers' actions, then I'll change my position. Thus far, though, it seems more likely the officers' protest was not family approved and thus, in my opinion, inappropriate.
I don't support the Ferguson, Garner, et al. protesters because "they meet my agenda". That's an extremely reductionist and, frankly, offensive way to refer to my support. My support of that movement is not so trivial as a political "agenda" just as the police officers' anger with de Blasio is not merely an "agenda". Nobody who's protesting or supporting protests on either "side" is doing so for such shallow reasons. I hope you get that.
The possibility exists, however, that both slain officers would have agreed with the back-turning on de Blasio.
I don't think cops are "out" to kill people because of their race. However, there is a lot of institutional racism within the police department that is hidden behind a complicit justice system. If you don't agree, then so be it. I consider you part of the problem. It's also unfortunate that you truly believe that the protests are as trivial as a mere "agenda" and not about a deeply felt frustration with a demonstrably flawed system. That you and others have such an opinion makes my support of the protests that more urgent and strong.Offensive way to refer to your support? You've made it very clear you're doubling your efforts to expose the "Blue Line" that exists. It is offensive to suggest Cops are out to kill people because of the color of their skin and then hide the action behind a complicit justice system. To suggest that is true and to push it is the embodiment of agenda.
There was a catastrophe in my community about 15 years ago, and people gathered the same evening for an impromptu memorial service in an arena. Bush the Elder had been in Europe, but he flew back immediately and was seated on the stage...but he never spoke a word; he was simply there. Ever since, I have admired him greatly. It was not his place to speak (even though he was a former President)...and if he had, then the service would have become about him. But he was there, and this meant the world to me and others then and now.
Why do you think the Westboro Baptist Church gets more criticism when it protests at funerals than it does when it protests elsewhere? What is it about funerals, specifically, that people tend to be more careful about?Why would back-turning be "unwise"? What does "wisdom" have to do with this silent protest?
I don't think cops are "out" to kill people because of their race. However, there is a lot of institutional racism within the police department that is hidden behind a complicit justice system. If you don't agree, then so be it. I consider you part of the problem. It's also unfortunate that you truly believe that the protests are as trivial as a mere "agenda" and not about a deeply felt frustration with a demonstrably flawed system. That you and others have such an opinion makes my support of the protests that more urgent and strong.
No, that's not a fact. As I stated, the amount of Black people stopped by police under stop-and-frisk was disproportionately high. The percentage of stops far exceeded the percentage of crime committed by Black people.
Can you comment on the fact that your original comment that police proportionately stopped people of color under stop-and-frisk was incorrect before moving onto the reasons behind such disproportionate stops?And the percentage of people stopped by RIDE drinking and driving spot checks far exceeds the number of people who commit the crime of driving while drunk. Should police stop doing that and let drunk drives ride roughshod over the rest of the driving public?
Police go where crime is usually found and where communities want/need protection from crime - plain and simple.
Why do you think the Westboro Baptist Church gets more criticism when it protests at funerals than it does when it protests elsewhere? What is it about funerals, specifically, that people tend to be more careful about?
Can you comment on the fact that your original comment that police proportionately stopped people of color under stop-and-frisk was incorrect before moving onto the reasons behind such disproportionate stops?
I said "protesting AT a funeral" not "protesting a funeral." Now, would you like to try again by commenting on my actual argument.Who was protesting the funeral of Officer Ramos? Nobody.
I know what they were protesting. When they did it at the hospital, it was fine. At the funeral, not so much.Officers were protesting the presence of the Mayor, a divisive figure in NYC at the moment and his attendance was counter to the police union, collectively, asking that he not attend the funeral of any officer who dies on duty which they stated prior to these two officers being murdered.
This should be directed at other people because I haven't thrown my support of unionism out of the window. That's why I cringe when people say that the officers who killed Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, et al. should be fired without due process. I think the officers should be fired, but with the due process that unionism secures. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.I will say, just as an aside, those on the left who are constantly touting the value of unions and union solidarity throw all of that out the window pretty quickly when they don't support the union or the action taken. If it had been sanitation workers showing the same disrespect to the Mayor, the silence from the left would be deafening.
If you're going to insist on saying this, can you show me the statistics that demonstrate this. Maybe I'm wrong.As a result, what you call disproportional black/police interaction in these communities is actually directly proportional to the amount of crime committed.
I said "protesting AT a funeral" not "protesting a funeral." Now, would you like to try again by commenting on my actual argument.
I know what they were protesting. When they did it at the hospital, it was fine. At the funeral, not so much.
This should be directed at other people because I haven't thrown my support of unionism out of the window. That's why I cringe when people say that the officers who killed Eric Garner, Michael Brown, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, et al. should be fired without due process. I think the officers should be fired, but with the due process that unionism secures. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
If you're going to insist on saying this, can you show me the statistics that demonstrate this. Maybe I'm wrong.
If you're going to insist on saying this, can you show me the statistics that demonstrate this. Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't see their actions as being any worse than any of the Ferguson protests. They had a statement they wanted to make, they made it and it was peaceful. All things were supposed to respect when those who are protesting police are doing their thing.
I wrote in my initial comment that I was comparing them on the basis that they both protested AT funerals. I hope that's clear now.You compared the Westboro Baptist Church protestors to the NYC police officers. The WBC protests the funerals. If you didn't mean to suggest the police were protesting the funeral you shouldn't have tried to compare them to the hateful WBC.
Your final comment doesn't address the point I made. I'm not surprised, since I know my point to be true and you wouldn't have an answer for it.
I'll read these and get back to you later.Ignoring the realities of NYC crime | New York Post
There's two - if you want to view more, there are probably thousands on the internet for you to peruse.
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