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Should Congress Pass H.R. 8922 "the Break Up Big Tech Act of 2020?"

Should Congress Pass H.R. 8922 "the Break Up Big Tech Act of 2020?"


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You need to direct that question of the Biden and Kerry families, don't you?
Or are these things unable to make ti past your binary hyper-partisan information denial force fields?

To answer your question, yes it is important to respect the sovereignty of the U.S and want to remove the foreign money from our politics.

I think it would be prudent to appoint a special council to investigate these matters and refer appropriate criminal cases to the DOJ. I hear Mueller and Weissman are available, but probably would have to claim conflict of interest. Should a special council be appointed, I suspect that all this will get swept under the Biden administration's DOJ's corruption rug, hever to be heard or seen from again, never to see the bright disinfecting sunlight. But Democrats do what Democrats do.
Hunter is not a politician and he is not running for any office. I don't suppose you want special investigations into Jared and Ivanka's foreign deals and they held high positions in the Whitehouse unlike Hunter. Your hypocrisy is noted.
 
You need to direct that question of the Biden and Kerry families, don't you?
Or are these things unable to make ti past your binary hyper-partisan information denial force fields?

To answer your question, yes it is important to respect the sovereignty of the U.S and want to remove the foreign money from our politics.

I think it would be prudent to appoint a special council to investigate these matters and refer appropriate criminal cases to the DOJ. I hear Mueller and Weissman are available, but probably would have to claim conflict of interest. Should a special council be appointed, I suspect that all this will get swept under the Biden administration's DOJ's corruption rug, hever to be heard or seen from again, never to see the bright disinfecting sunlight. But Democrats do what Democrats do.
Hunter is not a politician, holds no office and has not been accused of any crime. I don't suppose you would want a special investigation of Jared and Ivanka's foreign deals and they held high positions in the Whitehouse. Your hypocrisy is noted.

The troubling overlap between Jared Kushner's business interests and US foreign policy

In May 2017, two of Donald Trump’s senior advisers, Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon, met for a private dinner with top leaders of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The pair learned of a plan by the two American allies to impose a blockade on another US ally, Qatar, according to congressional staffers.
Trump’s secretary of state at the time, Rex Tillerson, was left in the dark. Tillerson only learned of the meeting two months ago, when he was interviewed for seven hours in a closed-door session with lawyers and staffers working for the House foreign affairs committee.
Tillerson’s testimony, which was made public last week, highlighted the inner workings of the Trump administration and revealed the extent to which Kushner – and to a lesser degree, Bannon, who left the administration in August 2017 – were conducting a shadow foreign policy. When asked how he felt about being left out of such vital meetings as America’s top diplomat, Tillerson told the committee: “It makes me angry … I didn’t have a say. The state department’s views were never expressed.”

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...hner-business-interests-and-us-foreign-policy
 
Hunter is not a politician and he is not running for any office. I don't suppose you want special investigations into Jared and Ivanka's foreign deals and they held high positions in the Whitehouse unlike Hunter. Your hypocrisy is noted.
Who's the 'big guy'?
Another partner sent that May 13, 2017, e-mail (subject line: “Expectations”) to detail “remuneration packages” for six people involved in a venture with Shanghai-based conglomerate CEFC China Energy Co.: 10 percent would be “held by H for the big guy” — and Bobulinski confirms the “big guy” was Joe Biden. “The other ‘JB’ referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother,” says Bobulinski, who was the CEO of the company being formed.
Your willful ignorance of the obvious, when in favor of Democrats noted.

To answer your question, 'I don't suppose you want special investigations into Jared and Ivanka's foreign deals and they held high positions' if it's warranted, has proper legal predicate. Those bench marks appear to have been met with Hunter's case.

Federal criminal investigation into Hunter Biden focuses on his business dealings in China
 
Who's the 'big guy'?

Your willful ignorance of the obvious, when in favor of Democrats noted.

To answer your question, 'I don't suppose you want special investigations into Jared and Ivanka's foreign deals and they held high positions' if it's warranted, has proper legal predicate. Those bench marks appear to have been met with Hunter's case.
The "big guy" in all the NY Posts reporting on Hunter is most definitely Vladimir Putin since that is where those emails came from.
 
The "big guy" in all the NY Posts reporting on Hunter is most definitely Vladimir Putin since that is where those emails came from.
So why aren't you now is a panic about that?

Actually, JB, Big Guy, is Joe Biden. Perhaps you need to re-read this part:
Another partner sent that May 13, 2017, e-mail (subject line: “Expectations”) to detail “remuneration packages” for six people involved in a venture with Shanghai-based conglomerate CEFC China Energy Co.: 10 percent would be “held by H for the big guy” — and Bobulinski confirms the “big guy” was Joe Biden. “The other ‘JB’ referenced in that email is Jim Biden, Joe’s brother,” says Bobulinski, who was the CEO of the company being formed.

“Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line,” Bobulinski continues.

Bobulinski, who served in the Navy before pursuing an investment career and notes he’s made “few campaign contributions,” all to Democrats, concludes: “I don’t have a political ax to grind; I just saw behind the Biden curtain and I grew concerned with what I saw. The Biden family aggressively leveraged the Biden family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities even though some were from communist controlled China.”

In the middle of a China deal Putin? That's a non-credible assertion.
 
So why aren't you now is a panic about that?

Actually, JB, Big Guy, is Joe Biden. Perhaps you need to re-read this part:


In the middle of a China deal Putin? That's a non-credible assertion.

Trump Had One Last Story to Sell. The Wall Street Journal Wouldn’t Buy It.
Inside the White House’s secret, last-ditch effort to change the narrative, and the election — and the return of the media gatekeepers.

At 7:35 Wednesday evening, Mr. Bobulinski emailed an on-the-record, 684-word statement making his case to a range of news outlets. Breitbart News published it in full. He appeared the next day in Nashville to attend the debate as Mr. Trump’s surprise guest, and less than two hours before the debate was to begin, he read a six-minute statement to the press, detailing his allegations that the former vice president had involvement in his son’s business dealings.
When Mr. Trump stepped on stage, the president acted as though the details of the emails and the allegations were common knowledge. “You’re the big man, I think. I don’t know, maybe you’re not,” he told Mr. Biden at some point, a reference to an ambiguous sentence from the documents.

As the debate ended, The Wall Street Journal published a brief item, just the stub of Mr. Areddy and Mr. Duehren’s reporting. The core of it was that Mr. Bobulinski had failed to prove the central claim. “Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden,” The Journal reported.
Asked about The Journal’s handling of the story, the editor in chief, Matt Murray, said the paper did not discuss its newsgathering. “Our rigorous and trusted journalism speaks for itself,” Mr. Murray said in an emailed statement.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/hunter-biden-wall-street-journal-trump.html
 
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Trump Had One Last Story to Sell. The Wall Street Journal Wouldn’t Buy It.
Inside the White House’s secret, last-ditch effort to change the narrative, and the election — and the return of the media gatekeepers.

At 7:35 Wednesday evening, Mr. Bobulinski emailed an on-the-record, 684-word statement making his case to a range of news outlets. Breitbart News published it in full. He appeared the next day in Nashville to attend the debate as Mr. Trump’s surprise guest, and less than two hours before the debate was to begin, he read a six-minute statement to the press, detailing his allegations that the former vice president had involvement in his son’s business dealings.
When Mr. Trump stepped on stage, the president acted as though the details of the emails and the allegations were common knowledge. “You’re the big man, I think. I don’t know, maybe you’re not,” he told Mr. Biden at some point, a reference to an ambiguous sentence from the documents.

As the debate ended, The Wall Street Journal published a brief item, just the stub of Mr. Areddy and Mr. Duehren’s reporting. The core of it was that Mr. Bobulinski had failed to prove the central claim. “Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden,” The Journal reported.
Asked about The Journal’s handling of the story, the editor in chief, Matt Murray, said the paper did not discuss its newsgathering. “Our rigorous and trusted journalism speaks for itself,” Mr. Murray said in an emailed statement.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/business/media/hunter-biden-wall-street-journal-trump.html
So from the leftist 'woke' New York Slimes' political commentary, and I'm supposed to take that as credible? Yeah, but no.
 
Your link above asserts those tech companies are monopolies. They are not. They are also private organizations and well within their rights to act on political bias.
Not with impunity. Govt protection needs to end so they can be legally pummeled like every other company in America.
 
Not with impunity. Govt protection needs to end so they can be legally pummeled like every other company in America.
Then the issue needs to be addressed in a separate Bill from the Defense Bill. Having it attached as a demand from trump is nothing more than extortion and at the moment could be overridden by Congress, if the Dems support it. That said maybe the Dems should say we either pass a relief Bill or the Defense Bill will die, see how that works?
 
Then the issue needs to be addressed in a separate Bill from the Defense Bill. Having it attached as a demand from trump is nothing more than extortion and at the moment could be overridden by Congress, if the Dems support it. That said maybe the Dems should say we either pass a relief Bill or the Defense Bill will die, see how that works?
Oh pulleeezzee! You act like you've been violated like a prom queen. Stuff is added to bill every single time that has zero to do with the bill.
 
Oh pulleeezzee! You act like you've been violated like a prom queen. Stuff is added to bill every single time that has zero to do with the bill.
Actually the Defense Bill usually is pretty much a stand alone thing, oh and by the way, it is the President that is demanding it, not Congress that wrote the Bill. So, the point is it is not in the Bill and will not be included, period. If Congress wants to take up the topic they have every right to do so and probably will, but you know darn well it is a simply a revenge thing with trump and has nothing to do with the concerns others may have. Save your personal attacks for those that find them amusing or don't bother with a reply.
 
Reps. Gabbard & Gosar Introduce ‘Break Up Big Tech’ Bill to Remove Legal Immunity from Big Tech Who Censor Users | Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (house.gov)

We have seen that a few men and women who own/run a few Social Media and Information Technology companies currently control how the majority of end users (citizens of the world like you and I) receive and perceive information.

We have also seen how they can guide/influence our views and actions via their control and manipulation of the information stream. In other Forum discussions issues have been raised about their current immunity from any form of liability under Section 230 as it now stands. This proposed Act clarifies such immunity, removing it from any Social Media organization that ceases to be a mere "platform" of views/ideas. That if it acts like an "editor/purveyor" turning it into a "publisher" it can be subject to standard civil/criminal liability.

The question is simply this: Should Congress pass H.R. 8922 which would allow Big Tech Media outlets to be subjected to civil/criminal liability if they act like publishers rather than neutral media platforms?

Yes.
No.
Other.

I support it 110%. I don't give a shit what your political lean might happen to be, when things have gotten to the point that we're seriously discussing the policies of one or two businessmen deciding national elections, its time to start nipping things in the bud. The "Free Market" is fine and dandy, but plutocratic oligarchy is not.

If the Left had any intellectual or ethical consistency whatsoever, they'd support this in a heart beat as well.
 
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No.. because it is a bill Trump loyalists have made to punish certain companies.. Plus it is not needed. The US already has anti-monoply legislation on its books, but refuses to use it.
 
...And by doing so, like FOX, CNN, the New York Times, etc., they should be subject to the same civil (and if appropriate criminal) liabilities that current interpretation of Section 230 protects them from when they ban, editorialize, defame, etc., participants in their media.
That misstates the law. When Fox et al. publish comments they are liable. Fox, CNN and the rest are legally liable for the comments of their hosts and others on air or that appear on their news websites, so long as those articles are affirmatively approved, published, by the news orgs.

What they are not liable for are comments uploaded by users such as in comment sections of the newspapers, websites, etc. The news orgs get the same protections as anyone else. Similarly, if FB publishes anything under its name or by its employees, FB is liable. They are not liable if I dox you in a FB post and someone goes to your house and sets it afire.

No one is saying that they cannot act like "private organizations." However, by doing so they should lose their protections claimed under the aegis of being "neutral platforms of ideas."
What part of the constitution requires private businesses to be "neutral platforms of ideas?" In fact the constitution protects our right to be non-neutral, especially with regard to government. We have a protected right, as do organizations, to bitterly oppose members of the government. That's core to being a free society. And you have no right to demand a platform to speak your mind. You cannot demand a church allow you to take over the pulpit to declare god is not real. Etc..

Recall when Twitter deleted President Trump's ability to "block" users on his account? The argument made was that twitter was a new "marketplace of ideas," and Trump's status as a public figure prevented him form restricting public responses. A decision which I agreed with then and still do now.

HOWEVER, by that same token when Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc., start acting like they can censor ideas they disagree with, they are also violating that "marketplace of ideas" position.

If so, fine but they should lose any 230 protections if they do so.
Twitter didn't block Trump's ability to block users - the federal courts did.
 
You keep missing the point. No one is arguing that Twitter cannot "conduct it's affairs in as 'politically biased' a manner as they wish."

The point is that since they ARE doing so, they are no longer (if they ever were) a "neutral platform for ideas and free expression." They are a PUBLISHER like any other agency/organization which does so, and thus should not be given special protection from civil/criminal liability for how they do so.
The other point is nothing in the law or the constitution requires or really CAN require that a private business be a "neutral platform for ideas and free expression." They have a constitutionally protected right to be unbiased if they want, to oppose Trump or Biden, to oppose white supremacy or BLM, to oppose abortion or oppose those who'd outlaw it, etc.

Just as a matter of common sense, a Holocaust Museum website does not have to be "neutral" to neo-Nazis, even polite ones not calling for violence, just insisting that Jews are politically evil and should be opposed for any office. The constitution protects the neo-Nazi's ability to advance that view AND the Jewish Holocaust Museum's ability to keep their crap off THEIR private property. The 1A does both.
 
By exercising politically biased and politically driven censorship the social media 'platforms' have eliminated themselves from being 'platforms' and have turned themselves into publishers. Publishers are not covered under Section 230.
In a free society, individuals and private businesses in fact have a constitutionally protected right to be unbiased. It cannot be any other way. If we must be "neutral" then you'd demand the law require 'neutrality' in the face of government abuse, tyranny, oppression, because to oppose that is to be biased against the tyrannical government, and the law must punish that - that's your working theory. Of course it cannot be the case that a private entity must be 'unbiased' to tyranny or oppression, or even tax policies it does not like. Furthermore, to condition legal rights on giving up another protected right seems like an absurd trade. Either in this case you are neutral to tyranny or government laws will subject you to punishing legal liability! Doesn't make sense....

Lies according to whom? The politically biased and politically driven social media so called 'fact checkers'? :ROFLMAO:
The owners of the website.

Those so called 'fact checkers' have been already well demonstrated and have been well documented as from even handed or fair.
Sure, they blame it on the algorithm, claim it was a mistake, but why then does algorithm, does the mistake always seem to always cut one way only?

It has been already well demonstrated and well documented that the editorial decision making by these social media publishers seem to always cut one way only.

Since when is protecting political bias that favors them and their preferred politicians the issue #1 for Liberals?

Indeed. One of a multitude of examples of the social media platform's politically biased and politically driven editorial decision making and manipulation of the electorate.

Again, performing such editorial decision making is clearly a function of a publisher and not a 'platform'. Section 230 immunity needs to be withdrawn from those social media companies that exert such editorial control.
Or you could just not use those platforms....

The problem is every website, including this one, exert editorial control, or else the site turns into a sewer.
 
In a free society, individuals and private businesses in fact have a constitutionally protected right to be unbiased. It cannot be any other way. If we must be "neutral" then you'd demand the law require 'neutrality' in the face of government abuse, tyranny, oppression, because to oppose that is to be biased against the tyrannical government, and the law must punish that - that's your working theory.
The argument that I pose is not to demand that web sites have to be "neutral", nor any government oversight. My argument is a simple one, which is that web sites exert such editorial control, clearly not done in good faith, they have changed from 'platforms' into 'publishers', and it is on this basis that Section 230 no longer applies by them.

They can make whichever choice they wish to make.

Of course it cannot be the case that a private entity must be 'unbiased' to tyranny or oppression, or even tax policies it does not like. Furthermore, to condition legal rights on giving up another protected right seems like an absurd trade. Either in this case you are neutral to tyranny or government laws will subject you to punishing legal liability! Doesn't make sense....


The owners of the website.


Or you could just not use those platforms....

The problem is every website, including this one, exert editorial control, or else the site turns into a sewer.
Twitter has been a sewer and a cesspool by the end of their first week in operation. None the less Twitter and Facebook have become the new defacto public square.

In the public square, there's a place for everyone to put posters. Along comes Twitter and Facebook and decide which posters they like and can leave up, or which posters they don't like and take down?
 
Oh my.
Look what China is doing!

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/beijing-just-fired-another-anti-130203776.html
Beijing just fired another anti-trust
warning shot at China’s tech giants


Last month, Chinese tech giants saw nearly $290 billion wiped off their market value, after China’s top market regulator released draft rules intended to prevent internet monopolies. Now Chinese anti-trust regulators have sent another warning likely to deepen investor fears about the new approach Beijing is taking to its tech giants.

The country’s top markets regulator, the State Administration of Market Regulation (SAMR), said in a statement (link in Chinese) today (Dec. 14) that it has fined three tech companies 500,000 yuan ($76,000) each for their failure to report past deals for anti-trust reviews under a 2008 anti-trust law. . .


Now I'm thinking breaking up Big Tech
is an international, Globelist Conspiracy!


Moi

Just because I'm a conspiracist
doesn't mean it isn't.




SgtPreston-a.webp
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
 
The argument that I pose is not to demand that web sites have to be "neutral", nor any government oversight. My argument is a simple one, which is that web sites exert such editorial control, clearly not done in good faith, they have changed from 'platforms' into 'publishers', and it is on this basis that Section 230 no longer applies by them.
You should stick with an argument. You said, "by exercising politically biased and politically driven censorship" they are violating the law. Nothing in the law requires a site to be "unbiased" and we obviously have a 1A right to be politically biased, as do organizations. If the 1A doesn't protect that, it's failed in its role in a free society as nothing can be more sacred than our right to be "biased" against the GOVERNMENT.

Now you way it's they moderate in "bad faith" which is a different claim, and it's also hopelessly subjective.

Good faith is a subjective term, and unfortunately the law requires something more than an opinion, that you don't LIKE how they exert their editorial control. This place in "good faith" ban hammers trolls and racists, which likely looks like bad faith from those who were banned or dinged, but good faith from most of ours. And I recognize that it doesn't matter what I think of the rules - when I get dinged I apologize, thank the mods for doing a good job, which I believe is true, and move on. If I object, too damn bad - they get to enforce the rules as they see fit.

They can make whichever choice they wish to make.
Neither the law nor the 1A requires them to make the choice you demand....

Twitter has been a sewer and a cesspool by the end of their first week in operation.
You missed the point entirely, and I have to assume deliberately. The key part of that sentence is, "The problem is every website, including this one, exert editorial control."

And I have family who were on the management team for moderating FB. The people who do that job on the line suffer all the signs of PTSD because of the horrific garbage, animal cruelty, child abuse, rape, killings, beatings, maimings, etc. that people around the world upload to FB, and these people get a steady stream of it all day, day after day, week after week, some of the most horrible things we can imagine according to him, and he wasn't joking. I'm sure that's true of Twitter as well, so it's not really a joking matter. There is no option other than to moderate like crazy on those sites, or else "sewer" is a kind term of what they will become. It's a sick world, full of sick people.

None the less Twitter and Facebook have become the new defacto public square.

In the public square, there's a place for everyone to put posters. Along comes Twitter and Facebook and decide which posters they like and can leave up, or which posters they don't like and take down?
'defacto public square' isn't a legally definable term. They ARE private businesses. They are NOT public, so not a public square. And private businesses in fact can decide what posters they like and leave up on their property.

What you are suggesting is, as far as I can tell, literally a desire to socialize private businesses. It's an odd argument for a conservative...

If your argument is they're too big and should be broken up into little pieces, I agree, but that's a different argument, and it traces back to our decision roughly in the Reagan era and since that we need not and should not really enforce anti-trust law.

FWIW, I also do not believe FB and Twitter actually fear doing away with 230 at this point. If it happens, those harmed like in many cases will be I expect the smaller players who cannot write better terms of service, make the agreement to post there an explicit agreement you sign off on many times as necessary to affirmatively agree they can do what they want, for any reason, etc. as a condition, force you to check that box or you don't get to play, make you do it every month if you need to, etc. It's a lawyer problem and they have the best lawyers.
 
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You should stick with an argument. You said, "by exercising politically biased and politically driven censorship" they are violating the law. Nothing in the law requires a site to be "unbiased" and we obviously have a 1A right to be politically biased, as do organizations. If the 1A doesn't protect that, it's failed in its role in a free society as nothing can be more sacred than our right to be "biased" against the GOVERNMENT.

Now you way it's they moderate in "bad faith" which is a different claim, and it's also hopelessly subjective.

Good faith is a subjective term, and unfortunately the law requires something more than an opinion, that you don't LIKE how they exert their editorial control. This place in "good faith" ban hammers trolls and racists, which likely looks like bad faith from those who were banned or dinged, but good faith from most of ours. And I recognize that it doesn't matter what I think of the rules - when I get dinged I apologize, thank the mods for doing a good job, which I believe is true, and move on. If I object, too damn bad - they get to enforce the rules as they see fit.


Neither the law nor the 1A requires them to make the choice you demand....


You missed the point entirely, and I have to assume deliberately. The key part of that sentence is, "The problem is every website, including this one, exert editorial control."

And I have family who were on the management team for moderating FB. The people who do that job on the line suffer all the signs of PTSD because of the horrific garbage, animal cruelty, child abuse, rape, killings, beatings, maimings, etc. that people around the world upload to FB, and these people get a steady stream of it all day, day after day, week after week, some of the most horrible things we can imagine according to him, and he wasn't joking. I'm sure that's true of Twitter as well, so it's not really a joking matter. There is no option other than to moderate like crazy on those sites, or else "sewer" is a kind term of what they will become. It's a sick world, full of sick people.

No one is arguing over the censorship of those examples of what people post. Those are examples of what is pretty unanimously considered as 'offensive'.

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'defacto public square' isn't a legally definable term. They ARE private businesses. They are NOT public, so not a public square. And private businesses in fact can decide what posters they like and leave up on their property.

What you are suggesting is, as far as I can tell, literally a desire to socialize private businesses. It's an odd argument for a conservative...

If your argument is they're too big and should be broken up into little pieces, I agree, but that's a different argument, and it traces back to our decision roughly in the Reagan era and since that we need not and should not really enforce anti-trust law.
 
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FWIW, I also do not believe FB and Twitter actually fear doing away with 230 at this point. If it happens, those harmed like in many cases will be I expect the smaller players who cannot write better terms of service, make the agreement to post there an explicit agreement you sign off on many times as necessary to affirmatively agree they can do what they want, for any reason, etc. as a condition, force you to check that box or you don't get to play, make you do it every month if you need to, etc. It's a lawyer problem and they have the best lawyers.
'Round and 'Round it goes. While spent quite a bit of time typing all that in, seems you are still not addressing my main point, which is that 'What part of biased politically driven censorship is in 'good faith''?

I'll agree with you that 'good faith' is ill defined in the law, however, the law also stipulates:
(c) Protection for "Good Samaritan" blocking and screening of offensive material
(1) Treatment of publisher or speaker

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

(2) Civil liability
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of-

(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or

(B) any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).1
Are political posts from users that the 'platform' doesn't agree with 'offensive'? Or just is just disagreeable sufficient to be terms as 'offensive'?

The protection against liability of what users post isn't some sort of shield for the platform to censor as they wish, doesn't the post need also qualify as 'offensive'?
Isn't the term 'offensive' reserved for pornography or violence or similar?

I know that many of the left consider any conservative speech as offensive, and they'd like to have all such speech suppressed, so they ever expand what they think should be considered as 'offensive' to 'anything they don't like or don't agree with'. Certainly, as an intelligent person, you can see the folly and danger in the government going around and suppressing speech what one group considers as offensive in their ever expanding definition, can't you?

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The phrase "I know it when I see it" is a colloquial expression by which a speaker attempts to categorize an observable fact or event, although the category is subjective or lacks clearly defined parameters. The phrase was used in 1964 by United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity in Jacobellis v. Ohio.[1][2] In explaining why the material at issue in the case was not obscene under the Roth test, and therefore was protected speech that could not be censored, Stewart wrote:
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No one is arguing over the censorship of those examples of what people post. Those are examples of what is pretty unanimously considered as 'offensive'.
I get it - right wingers believe they're entitled to forums who moderate their platforms like they want them moderated. But the 1A and the law say differently.

You want the government to tell private businesses that they must comport their speech directed at government according to some rules government establishes, and that require private businesses to be neutral to government oppression, tyranny, etc. or just government they do not like, and oppose for any reason. These platforms must be unbiased to government they don't like, and are not allowed to run their place in a way that is hostile to government.

That's not how free societies work.
 
'Round and 'Round it goes. While spent quite a bit of time typing all that in, seems you are still not addressing my main point, which is that 'What part of biased politically driven censorship is in 'good faith''?
I'll quit with this. You insist that private businesses must be neutral to government they oppose. They in fact have NO obligation to be unbiased or neutral, not FB, not Twitter, not Fox News, not DP, not a Jewish Holocaust site. In a free society they have a 1A protected right to engage in "biased politically driven censorship" because all that means in real life is they are free to oppose government, government leaders, and associate if they want with others who oppose that government, liberal or conservative. Jewish websites do not in fact have to be neutral to neo-Nazis, no matter how polite, on their websites, and neither does anyone else, although those opinions are CLEARLY protected by the 1A. This place and every other can ban hammer them with impunity, and that's a good thing. It also means they can, if they want, engage in biased politically driven censorship against anyone else, such as Bernie Bros, or MAGAs or the "crew" fans.

It's why if you look at cases under 230, (c)(2) is rarely tested because the 1A defeats almost all of them.
 
I get it - right wingers believe they're entitled to forums who moderate their platforms like they want them moderated.
No, you are still spinning a strawman there.
But the 1A and the law say differently.

You want the government to tell private businesses that they must comport their speech directed at government according to some rules government establishes, and that require private businesses to be neutral to government oppression, tyranny, etc. or just government they do not like, and oppose for any reason. These platforms must be unbiased to government they don't like, and are not allowed to run their place in a way that is hostile to government.

That's not how free societies work.
I'll quit with this. You insist that private businesses must be neutral to government they oppose. They in fact have NO obligation to be unbiased or neutral, not FB, not Twitter, not Fox News, not DP, not a Jewish Holocaust site. In a free society they have a 1A protected right to engage in "biased politically driven censorship" because all that means in real life is they are free to oppose government, government leaders, and associate if they want with others who oppose that government, liberal or conservative. Jewish websites do not in fact have to be neutral to neo-Nazis, no matter how polite, on their websites, and neither does anyone else, although those opinions are CLEARLY protected by the 1A. This place and every other can ban hammer them with impunity, and that's a good thing. It also means they can, if they want, engage in biased politically driven censorship against anyone else, such as Bernie Bros, or MAGAs or the "crew" fans.

It's why if you look at cases under 230, (c)(2) is rarely tested because the 1A defeats almost all of them.
So then, your concerted opinion would result in the electorate be manipulated by only being able to access politically one sided leftist reporting from every side, reinforced by leftist big tech which wuold only 'find' leftist opinions and ideas for every search, while also suppressing any political views that aren't leftist by banning them, hiding them, denying access to them, while at the same time any conservative speech or ideas are declared as offensive and banned, if not by the government, but by the rest of society.
You suport a total dystopian future?

How many election cycles do you think it'd take to institute total one party tyranny under these conditions? I'm thinking maybe 3.
And the Chinese will dictate the political candidates at every level of government, given their present level of infiltration.
 
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