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M14 Shooter said:Your next door neighbor has lung cancer from smoking, heart disease from over-eating, HIV from IV drug use, and has literally been grafted to his couch because all he does is watch TV.
Should he be able to send you the bill for his health care costs?
M14 Shooter said:Your next door neighbor has lung cancer from smoking, heart disease from over-eating, HIV from IV drug use, and has literally been grafted to his couch because all he does is watch TV.
Should taxpayers pay for his health care costs?
IMHO, heath problems caused by people deliberatly abusing themselves shoud not be covered by public heath care. There's no reason I should be forced to pay for your poor choices.
Calm2Chaos said:If they have paid into these benifits through years of working and paying taxes then I guess I don't see why not. If your given the oppurtunity to opt out of paying for these programs then no. But why should someone pay into a system they can't use in the future
M14 Shooter said:You're operating under the assumption that you 'pay into' a system that creates a pool of money for you, which you draw from later. That's not the case. All public health care programs are pay-as-you-go, where the money coming in covers the money going out -- just like any other welfare program.
Calm2Chaos said:Are they or are they not funded by tax dollars?
mixedmedia said:[/Moderator mode]
M14,
You had two identical threads here so I merged them.
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M14 Shooter said:The are funded by tax dollars - but that's not the argument you made.
In theory, medicare, soc sec, etc, are programs where the money you pay in eventually comes back out, with some interest. In reality, that's not what happens - the money I pay in today covers your grandmother tomorrow.
I interpret your original statement as assuming the former rather than the latter.
M14 Shooter said:Thanks... I think...:shock:
mixedmedia said:/Moderator mode/
You had two identical threads in this forum, one with a poll, one without. Both had been contributed to, so I thought merging them would be best. Let me know if you think I made an error. I'm a little new at this. :smile:
/Moderator mode/
M14 Shooter said:No - I just wondered how I would up with two posts. The one I saw didnt have a poll, and I knew I posted one with a poll.
A glitch. No biggie. Thanks for your help.
alphieb said:Of course they should have access to medicaid, what should happen; let them suffer and die, because they made some bad choices in life? That is cruel and unusual punishment. Are you perfect by the way, of course not. I guess you should just suffer and starve.
SixStringHero said:Some of you people are downright callous.
How about we add a side facet to this situation. What if a chronic smoker were having respiratory problems but in lieu of getting treatment from TAX PAYERS money they would sign a waiver that they would go through a rehabilitation center and quit?
Certainly, that at the very least has to appeal to your compassionate side?
M14 Shooter said:Just to be clear:
You are OK with someone else repeatedly abusing himself and handing you the bill for his health care costs. Right?
How does that address the question?alphieb said:Perhaps, the abuser was a tax payer him/herself for years.
No there doesn't.SixStringHero said:Certainly there has to be an extenuating circumstance or other stipulations that could be put in place such as the example I gave in my previous post.
Why should you be forced to pay for my mistakes?Why not help someone who agrees that they will rehabilitate in order to receive these benefits?
alphieb said:Perhaps, the abuser was a tax payer him/herself for years. Hey, if we can aid people in other countries why should we not take care of our own?
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