SmokeAndMirrors
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First, let me say I'm part of a childless couple that may remain as such as my wife has no desire for children.
Second, no he's not saying that at all.
Believing someone is being selfish for not wanting to have kids doesn't mean they're other contributions are meaningless. One doesn't indicate the other. One's other actions could both be meaningful AND be selfish as it relates to the notion of continuing ones ancestery.
I'll admit, this is part of what I struggle with currently with my wife. Part of why I'd like kids is I want to see my families name continue (of my father and his 4 brothers, I'm one of only 3 male kids) and to feel as if I'm helping to impact something tangably and direclty positive into the "next generation". Having experience as an instructor I recognize there are other ways to impact a child's life besides being their parent....but I also recognize that there's nothing AS impactful as that experience.
At the same time, I enjoy my life and the freedom around it. I enjoy the ability to go home and lay around watching TV or playing video games if I feel like it. Or going out and playing basketball with friends for the night or even sitting up watching election coverage or researching politics. I like being able to go out to the bar on Saturday nights till 2:00 AM or staying in bed on a weekend day for hours with my wife without a care in the world or spending all day devouring a slate of football games. And, conflicting with my desire for kids I also have a desire to see my wife happy...and she has no desire for kids.
I get the notion of people suggesting that those who are childless are "selfish". I don't think it applies EVERY time, but I can see how it is with some. I admit that part of why I don't have any yet is because I am a bit selfish...that I don't want to give up what I'm doing right now. At the same time, I think it's a bit of a misnomer. Most people having kids WANT kids...which means it's not somehow "Unselfish" of them to have the kid, because that's what THEY want to be doing. They're still doing what they want, just like I am...it's just in a different manner.
This thread is why childless couples hate parents.
Your book has no validity if it doesn't separate out the childfree, which as I already demonstrated, is a recognized group that is different from the childless. As redress said, it's also a disingenuos way to propose evidence if I can only look at it separate from whatever "research" was done.
Oh, by the way, if you want to know one of the biggest reasons why Japan's birth rate is plummeting, it's because women are still treated like chattel in domestic roles, but not in professional roles. Who would give up their career that they enjoy to be treated like a maid for the rest of their lives?
You have, through your desire to push a point, embarrassed yourself. You are smarter than the things you have said in this thread. I have seen you wiser, more exacting, better capable of sifting evidence than this.
First, let me say I'm part of a childless couple that may remain as such as my wife has no desire for children.
Second, no he's not saying that at all.
+1.... every year we have to pay American farmers billions of dollars to keep them from producing enough food to feed every man woman and child on the planet. Malthus was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he will continue to be wrong in the future.
At the same time, I enjoy my life and the freedom around it. I enjoy the ability to go home and lay around watching TV or playing video games if I feel like it. Or going out and playing basketball with friends for the night or even sitting up watching election coverage or researching politics. I like being able to go out to the bar on Saturday nights till 2:00 AM or staying in bed on a weekend day for hours with my wife without a care in the world or spending all day devouring a slate of football games. And, conflicting with my desire for kids I also have a desire to see my wife happy...and she has no desire for kids.
I have to disagree on this point, because I think he's saying exactly that. It seemed very clear to me that he believes that UNLESS one has children, none of the accomplishments that childless or childfree people contribute are in any way truly valuable. It's complete nonsense of course, but even in the 21st century, a lot of people still have that rather backward belief.
In other words, you're cross that none of what you have posted on this subject has made Smoke change her mind or made her feel guilty for NOT having kids. Tough luck. You haven't changed MY mind either.
Total BS.
We can drop everything and head to the Keys at the drop of a hat. Good luck doing that with your brats.
No one owes any thing to society
NONSENSE. No individual or couple is required to reproduce in order to be considered a "contributing member of society." That's just one more guilt-peddling weapon conservatives use to try and shame women into having children they don't really want.cpwill said::shrug: all things being equal they contribute less to society. "inferior" would be a word that would require qualifications, however.
Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
Sure you do. So long as you continue to participate and benefit from it, you owe it lawful participation.
:shrug: all things being equal they contribute less to society. "inferior" would be a word that would require qualifications, however.
People get together in a family solely, for the continuation of the human race.Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
People get together in a family solely, for the continuation of the human race.
Not just to have children, women may have children without family, but in order continue the culture of human society.
Couple without children, just do not make sense. Reason that they like to have sex legally, is not accepted. Families without children do not exist.
Then you are not paying attention to what anyone is saying, but are rather reacting to some kind of stereotypical bogeyman that you have constructed in your mind.
Which is sad, that the only way you can come to defend your position is to strawman other points of view. You ought to be able to stand intellectually on your own, not require a prop to lean upon.
No, I think it is sad that Smoke, too, is reliant upon a (deliberately? She's smart enough to know better) cartoonish picture of her opposition.
People get together in a family solely, for the continuation of the human race.
Not just to have children, women may have children without family, but in order continue the culture of human society.
Couple without children, just do not make sense. Reason that they like to have sex legally, is not accepted. Families without children do not exist.
You swore at me. What's next? You had not given any reasons why we need a family without children. Gays, who adapt children, has more rites call it's self "family" , then couples without children.NONSENSE. Each individual, woman or man, is capable of deciding for herself or himself what makes up a "family." Couples without children may not make sense to you, which is fine. The bolded statement is a ridiculous assertion, which I certainly don't take seriously.
No, people do NOT get together solely for the continuation of the human race. A statement like that would lead one to believe that you think that a couple who remains childless should not even be married.
Oh, wait.......
Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
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